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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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Three months of reading these forums and all your helpful replies would suggest that the Diesel is a popular choice for many (possibly most) of you guys. The CRD also gets things like QDII that simply is not available for the 3.6 Petrol.

I was always a bit old fashioned when it came to my whole outlook on Diesels, but there's just so much popularity and hype for the 3.0l turbo diesels now...it has to be for a good reason?!

I realise the torque increases phenomenally (540+ Nm in the CRD), and I understand the extra $5 grand up front in addition to the extra servicing costs, but what worries me the most is the performance.

Before you jump down my throat, as I understand there's a LOT of CRD owners more than happy with the performance of their diesels, please bear with me.

I have come from a tuned turbo Subaru Forester XT that weighs about 600kg less than the grand. 0-100 times in the sub 7 seconds. So although not a traditional 'performance' car by any means, it was certainly pretty quick for a non-euro SUV.

I guess a test drive will tell, but should I expect a little less 'zippy' performance compared with the 3.6 Petrol GC. I swear I read on the weekend that the CRD had an 8.2sec 0-100, where the 3.6 petrol had 8.4secs - who would've thought?!

The fuel economy and longer times between tank fills are appealing with the CRD, as well as the low end torque could 'potentially' be better for boggy sand driving over the petrol.

But as we only do 10,000k's (mainly city driving) per year, I've read the diesels don't like lots of short trips.

Either way, I want to make sure I buy the jeep that suits our everyday driving needs, and not just for that 3-4 times per year trip.

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Do a test drive i may suggest you will find much bettter performance then the petrol 3.6

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Hey Matt,

My last car was a "tuned" Liberty GT (approx 200 awkw).

I was never really looking at the V6 petrol, but did look at the 5.7 V8 and the diesel.

No doubt, the drive is different, but you will not be disappointed with the diesel.

This is probably one of the best engine/transmission combinations I have driven in any car.....just remember it's a big heavy beast!!

In terms of fuel economy it will take a long time to recover the extra cost (if at all). Also remember that the diesel will have a higher residual value at resale - I expect the petrol V6 will drop like the proverbial stone.

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Also - you are probably aware that QDII is not standard on diesel models until Overland Spec - but correct is not an option on V6 petrol.


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

I've spent enough time at the Albion dealership on weekends to start claiming wages I think. Now I've introduced a third jeep variant with the diesel they may refuse to take my calls....

But I can't ignore the fact that the CRD outsells the petrol in this country so it would be a real shame if we never got behind the wheel of one.

I better book in a Sat morning cruise around breakfast creek me thinks.

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Check out Cricks Mt Gravatt as well I found and still am finding their service far superior. And their price was better.


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Just for comparisons sake,
I came from a Ford Territory Ghia turbo that was tuned to probably just over 300kw.
When I started test driving Jeeps the dealer gave me a 3.6 Limited for a few hours, and I was so glad to hand it back. It felt sluggish and lethargic, with no real urgency to it.

I was sold on the diesel straight away. (I never contemplated the Hemi as I do quite a bit of heavy towing and my old Terri was doing 22-23lt/100 with my van, not going there again with a Hemi)

If you get into it a CRD will get up and go, but it doesn't have the top end rush of a turbo petrol (that I miss, but only rarely these days)
I'm looking to tune my CRD later this year too, 210kw and over 600nm of torque appeals greatly.....haha
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Well after several months of research and many helpful replies from the friendly bunch on this forum, we bit the bullet this morning and signed off on a 2015 Black Pearl Grand LTD....Petrol !!

We saved nearly $8 grand off the retail (incl current March $2500 cash promo on the GC), so pretty pleased

We went back and fourth between the Petrol and the Diesel and in the end we were convinced the $6000 extra the dealer would charge us for would be better spent on after market upgrades down the track.

The best thing is it's actually in stock and we pick it up next weekend (Remserv novated lease to sort out this week).

Few more questions:

Can we tow our 1250kg boat straight away or leave it until after 1,000km's on the clock?

Can you crawl under and install the Chief sump plate & front recovery hook yourself (basic tools - no torque wrench), or do you need a hoist?

Lastly I studied the lower air dam assembly very carefully to work out what needs to come off, and it looks like the two lower front mud guard things should come off without the need to remove the whole air dam - is that correct? (see photo attached, the little fins on either side that are the lowest point to the ground)

Anyway with the cash I've saved I'm going to start shopping around for Benno's check list (thanks mate).

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So shopping list for sand driving:
Air pump and good gauge
Sump protection
1 or 2 front tow hooks
4x maxtrax or the cheaper tred ones
recovery snatch strap kit
fold up shovel

I have seen GCs up on fraser in stock form, no real problems, but one thing that gets me worried is the front lower airdam, chief is making a cover to replace that, or bull bars if you fit one remove it.
We'll start with the cheapo $25 fold up shovel (better than nothing) and see if we need to go to the long handled version later....just a bit more painful to card around with camping gear. Thumper compressor seems pretty good for a first timer up the beach. Prob go the Treds x2 in case there's no one else around for a snatch.

8000kg Snatch should be ok for the Grand?

Anyway thanks again for coming on the journey up to this point guys, I promise I won't be a stranger from this great sub-forum in the Garage
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Congrats! Well done on the deal. You can install the chief plate and hooks without a hoist. I used basic tools, and a couple of buckets to rest things on in place.

Pretty sure those lower plastic bits on the air dam come off with some twist lugs....
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Nice one Matty make sure u post some picks, as Benno said both installs are easy I did mine in the garage on the floor. Also fitted the bash plates myself all very easy jobs.


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Congratz on your new ride.

I have 2x Treds and thought it was enough since I assumed we would get bogged in soft flat sand.

The reality is when you do get in trouble the car probably won't be in a flat area, which can significantly impact the effectiveness of these recovery boards.

The last time we had to use them were lucky to get help from someone with another 2 boards because we really needed 1 under each wheel...be careful when driving alone and make sure to do a quick risk assessment before attempting anything for the first time.

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Yep, go with 4 treds/maxtrax. They can get messy so better to put them on the roof. Also try not to spin your wheels too much, put them hard up under the tyres if you can, the lugs on the tracks can get ripped off, so I discovered.....
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Yep, go with 4 treds/maxtrax. They can get messy so better to put them on the roof.
We were going to buy a basket for the roof when we nearly signed off on the Trailhawk, but with the larger cargo space in the Grand I was hoping to avoid the expense.

It would come into its own to store things like a long handle shovel and the treds though. I can see a lot of sand in the back otherwise...

We'll have to see we can squeeze one in the leftover savings. I know how much storage space can be needed with camping gear.

No doubt, like most hobbies, we'll accumulate more 4x4 bits as we go.
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