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Old 02-12-2015, 07:58 PM
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MY2015 Grand Cherokee WK2 Ltd (V6) Vs. MY2015 Cherokee KL Trailhawk (V6)

Hi all, I've been active on AJOR for a little while, but I’ve been lurking in the garage for too long now and I can’t hold back any longer!

I’m potentially days away from purchasing a TrailHawk during their current Feb 2015 pricing promo (taking $4,500 off the retail – not bad for Jeep).

As the Grand LTD V6 was always a close second, I need to ask the group about GC beach rated options that I’ve read all about, just to clear some things up.

I realise this is the WK2 sub-forum, so I won’t go into all the features we like about the Trailhawk. Instead I’ll list the pro’s / cons of why we put the Grand 2nd to the TH (who knows you might change my mind?!):

PROS:

• Larger cargo space (TH is 20% less than my current Forester)
• Better rear seat / cargo window visibility (pretty small in the TH)
• More aftermarket parts available
• Established model (TH is only 12 months old in its current form)


CONS:

• Not as ‘beach ready’ as the TH to drive out of the showroom and onto Moreton Isl.
• No beach rated recovery hooks
• No underbody protection
• TH 17” tyres better suited to sand than the 20” on the GC


So my questions are really:

1. What’s the minimum you would add to your stock GC to go on Moreton / Bribie / Rainbow / ….and much later (more experience & kit) Fraser
2. Does the ORA II kit come with enough underbody bash plates to protect the SUMP (ie the first thing most beach guys on this forum break!). Or if you really want to protect your new GC at its weakest point do you need the Mopar / Chief product? I really like the looks of this (Chief?) product, but unsure if the picture is actually a combination of Chief AND Mopar - 2014 Grand Cherokee information - Australia

3. Lastly, as I am new to beach driving, I WILL get bogged (even after following all the advice, tyre pressures, maxtrax, snatch straps, shovel etc), so beach recovery hooks will be mandatory. Pretty sure you don’t get any tow hooks on the MY2015 Grand LTD - correct?
4. Cost of the above options (bash plates / tow hooks front & rear) are going to add around $3k to a $60k vehicle – am I close to the mark here?


It’s a case of looking at what suits our lifestyle. If we go camping twice a year, and want to open out options up to more beach stuff, then the Trailhawk sounds like it could do it for $50k, or for more interior space the Grand could do it for ~$65k by the time you add the aftermarket goodies mentioned above. I tow a 1200kg boat on weekends and both are more than up to the task.

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Old 02-12-2015, 08:33 PM
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Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

The photo shows the chief plate at the front along with the mopar plates towards the rear. Chief bash plate replaces the jeep felt / cardboard undertray which is prone to damage.

There is a recovery hook available from mopar ( the Australian part - the USA part will not fit) but it is a poor design. Better option is to go for a chief hook.

GC come with a rear hook but If you were getting a tow bar make sure the rear hook is replaced - some dealers don't put it back on.

Personally I think the air suspension is great - gives that little bit extra clearance on tougher sections of dunes.

Thought about a new discovery sport? due in dealers in May.


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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It’s a case of looking at what suits our lifestyle. If we go camping twice a year, and want to open out options up to more beach stuff, then the Trailhawk sounds like it could do it for $50k, or for more interior space the Grand could do it for ~$65k by the time you add the aftermarket goodies mentioned above. I tow a 1200kg boat on weekends and both are more than up to the task.

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Hey, thats my car!

So I've been on the beach a few times (Bribie and Teewah), it has been great lately since the rain has kept it fairly firm.

Defintes for beach driving is replacing the soft felt belly pan/undertray/sump guard what ever you want to call it. Uneek do one, so does Chief, I like the chief one.

You can get away with one front recovery hook (Chief do them, so do the Jeep dealers), but mine haven't had any use yet. I've found the Jeep very good on soft sand, even up to the lagoons at Bribie where some prados were struggling, the Jeep never felt like getting stuck. Tip, keep the power down don't feel like you have to back off, unless you totally stop. The electronics are good at pushing power to the right wheel.

Wheels: 18s are good for soft sand, but the stock 20s seem to be pretty decent from what I've seen. You shouldn't get bogged due to smaller side wall.

The rear recovery hook is good for snatch recovery.

Air suspension is very handy for when your tyres do dig down and you end up sitting on the belly of the car. You can put it up to its max height and reverse out a lot of the time.

So shopping list for sand driving:
Air pump and good gauge
Sump protection
1 or 2 front tow hooks
4x maxtrax or the cheaper tred ones
recovery snatch strap kit
fold up shovel

I have seen GCs up on fraser in stock form, no real problems, but one thing that gets me worried is the front lower airdam, chief is making a cover to replace that, or bull bars if you fit one remove it. I'd feel a lot better with air suspension or a 2inch lift as well, but not vital IMO.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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Hey, thats my car!
Haha - sorry Benno, I really like the look of your underbody protection. I hope you don't mind me using your sweet ride as an example.

Great info thanks to the above posts. The Quadra lift was always another option I thought of, but again it adds another $3200 on top. But I can see how useful it would be.

We'll go back to the budget and see if we can fit the above things in. But overall it's a big step to come up with another 15 grand for somewhat 'similar' vehicles (at least for what we want it for anyway).

Thanks again, comments are very helpful.

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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

I'm not that familiar with the KL trailhawk, but just reading up on it:

200kw (nice)
Jeep Active Drive Lock (rear diff lock)
29.9 degree approach (better than the Grand 26degree approach)
221mm ground clearance (slightly better than the grand 218mm)

A standard Grand Cherokee comes with only a center diff lock (not rear diff lock) and steel suspension. Comparing the TH to a standard Grand LTD the TH wins on paper. But if you go for the offroad pack on the Grand which gives you 18inch wheels, the mopar skid plates, and locking rear diff, then the Grand is ahead on paper.

The only thing I'm not sure about is if the ORA (offroad pack) on a petrol V6 Grand gives you the locking rear diff? It does on the diesel and V8, but I don't think so on the petrol v6.

I bought a diesel ltd with ORA and air suspension for $67k from Cricks Mtgravatt, they were the best price I could find.

The diesel would have been $62 without the offroad pack and air suspension, and then the petrol is normally $5k less again. Driveaway pricing.

Prices have gone up slightly with the MY15 model.
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We'll go back to the budget and see if we can fit the above things in. But overall it's a big step to come up with another 15 grand for somewhat 'similar' vehicles (at least for what we want it for anyway).

Thanks again, comments are very helpful.

Matt
Yeah, I find driving them gives you a good idea of what you want, then its a matter of getting the money for what you want

I'm not sure of pricing on the TH, but I would expect a petrol Grand Cherokee LTD to be got for under $60k. You might be able to haggle air suspension on there and come in around $60k.
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Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Has anyone worked out if the KL trailhawk recovery hooks can be fitted to a limited? Or is it the same JA stupidity as the GC?


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

FWIW, I was about to buy a MY2015 GC Limited and put the ORAII package on it. Eventually I came to realize that other than 18" vs 20" OEM wheels, the Overland was a better choice (for me).

The Overland comes with just about everything mentioned in the OP, and has QuadraLiftII standard. I didn't really care about QL, but now that I've got it, I have to say I love it, even for on-road.

Overland comes standard with 2 front tow hooks, and rear towing package (if you add tow package aftermarket to the Ltd, you have to get codes to activate the lighting wiring for the trailer). I had the dealer install the Mopar skid plates onto the Overland after purchase. That cost about $1,000US, parts and labor.

I would seriously consider what already comes pre-loaded as standard on the JGC Overland, and factor-in what that would all cost if you go with the JGC Limited, or JC TH.

FWIW, I have heard that the base gas engine on JC (4 cylinder) is severely underpowered. For me, the V6 gas Pentastar engine coupled with the 8-speed transmission, has plenty of power even on the heavier GC Overland (but I haven't towed with it yet).

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Overland comes standard with 2 front tow hooks, and rear towing package (if you add tow package aftermarket to the Ltd, you have to get codes to activate the lighting wiring for the trailer). I had the dealer install the Mopar skid plates onto the Overland after purchase. That cost about $1,000US, parts and labor.

I would seriously consider what already comes pre-loaded as standard on the JGC Overland, and factor-in what that would all cost if you go with the JGC Limited, or JC TH.
Its a little different in Oz, all cars come with the towing package, and none come with the tow hooks.
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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

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Its a little different in Oz, all cars come with the towing package, and none come with the tow hooks.
Must be the reverse gravity thing.
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So I brought a Grand added front, front diff, transfer skids all up around 700 and fitted them myself, also traded in my original tyres for some 275/55/20 which gave me more sidewall to work with for 600 and second hand front hook for 150 again fitted myself.
All up 1500 round figures would be more than capable on the beach.
I also did Murchison lift for 1400 so for under 3k super capable with over 260 mm ground clearance.


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Re: Grand Ltd Vs. KL Trailhawk

Just had a quick squiz at the Chief products site and the sump plate and front tow hook are a lot cheaper than I thought. Even better they rate the installation as an EASY 2/10, so looks like it would cost less than $600 if I fitted myself.

I'm trying Cricks (Mt Gravatt) to see what sort of deal they can do on a Grand LTD V6 Petrol with Quadra Lift after trading my 09 Forester XT.

This would resolve the cargo space reservations we had with the Trailhawk. Plus we'd get DAB radio (something I've been wanting for a while!) and memory seats (as my wife and I are always changing seats and mirrors as we're a 1 car family).

Will keep you posted. No current promo's on the Grand that I know of but the best part is I'm in no hurry, so time is on my side
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