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Re: installing chief bash plate and recovery hook

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the 2 products i am installing are:
-wk2 recovery point
-wk2 sump protection plate- heavy duty 5mm
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ok so chief rates the ease of installation for the bash plates as 1/10 and the recovery hooks at 3/10 but i beg to differ ! it might be that rating on a hoist with power tools and maybe extra manpower but doing it alone on the ground with the car set on OR2 height and crawling underneath i would rate the installation maybe 4/10 for the plates and 3/10 for the recovery point..
changing oil and oil filter in the jeep grand cherokee i would rate as a 1/10. ie way easier than this install.

i might not be a mechanic but i do some work on my own cars eg oil change, gearbox oil change, diff oil change, air filter, flush radiator, bleed brakes, change brake rotors and pads, change fuel filter, change fuel pumps, change radiators so at least i'm not a mechanical noob.

in retrospect if you are a mechanical noob, i would say just get the shop to do it for you. as there was blood drawn doing the install process

factor in an arvo to get both the bash plate and recovery point in. i'm sure i can do this much faster now that i've done it (i'm guessing 1.5hrs) but since it was the first attempt at it , i was taking my time and applying antiseize to all the bolts.

before i get to the install process i was a little disappointed as the bash plate does NOT work if you have the Mopar sump skid plate installed
as you cannot bolt the bash plate and skid plate together. so we need a new aftermarket sump plate now. no amount of wiggling could get the back bash plate holes to line up with the skid plate. even if it did the skid plate would hang down to catch objects under the car as it sticks out below the the end of the bash plate
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tools used:
-10mm socket
-13mm socket
-sidechrome drive rotator ratchet
-socket extension bar
-13mm spanner
-cardboard to lie on the ground !

onto the install :
1. get rid of the air dam. not that easy without reading any manual or diy on it.took me about 45mins to figure out what was going on.
-get rid of factory front x3 m6 bolts for the oem belly pan (sorry no pic)
-get rid of the 7 round plastic fasteners (2 of them are in front of the wheel, see the pic below (ones on the very edge) they are hard to see and undo them by feel
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this is what those round things are holding (circled). the 1 on the outer edge are in front of the wheel.
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i started wiggling the bumper from the edge until the tabs loosened. you can see all the tabs in the above picture as well
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you can see the tab locks
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once that air dam is off, and oem belly pan is off, i decided to do the recovery point 1st

i got them lined up for the passenger side
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where it should be bolted in
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now bolted in
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geez it was a work out lifting the recovery hook with the left arm whilst trying to line them up and bolt them in

little did i know the bash plate install for me was worse !

the bash plate is heavy and large and bulky. 18.7kg apparently.
carrying this thing underneath the car and lining it up to the holes was a bitch

i figured i would start by bolting the front 3 bolts of the bash plate to the car.
whilst manoeuvring the plate, shoulders/arms holding the front bit up , knees holding the back bit up, i bolted the front on. (bolt them loosely so plate can be wiggled to align the back 2 bolts)
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however this is where i noticed that i had drawn blood !
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where the nice looking chief product tag sits are f*cking sharp bits out of the rivet
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and they just tore my knee up when i was trying to support it up to bolt the front 3 bolts in . and 1 of the 3 front bolts i must have overtightened and killed the thread, but i couldnt be assed unbolting it now to fix the thread.

now i was going to bolt the back bolts but ran into major trouble with the mopar sump skid plate installed. the bolt holes are close but cant line up and even if it did as you can see it would dangle below the bash plate to catch things. and yes that is a blood stain on the plate below the chief product tag !
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after much frustration trying to line them up and not fitting , i came to the conclusion that it was either keep one or the other.
so i took the sump skid plate out
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now it was easy to bolt the back to m8 bolts
do the 2 side bolts for the bash plate using the 13mm socket, ratchet, 13mm spanner. with the bolt protruding outwards. little bit trickier on the passenger side as there is a bottle in the way, so you have to reach around the back with the spanner.
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-reinstall the air dam
-put round plastic fasteners in
could only fit back 5 out of the 7 as 2 of them couldnt pull the wheel arch liner back to fit in. not that it really matters as it is quite well attached on

air dam back on
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close up of recovery point
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but now exposes those 2 hoses to the elements as you drive as they are not behind the plastic panel any more
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PROS
-good packaging-instructions however required downloading the pdf from the website and did not outline how to remove the air dam properly
-product looks great and looks unbreakable !

CONS
-not that easy to install for a noob (hopefully made easier now with this guide)
-sharp bits on rivets are a hazard !
-did not work with mopar sump skid plate
-now need some protection in that area ?? custom solution again
-objects heavy-better installed with an extra pair of hands to help

on another note:
whilst under the car i noticed that the stick exhaust was dented in . is it supposed to be like that from factory ??
and with the installation of the mopar skid plate set , i noticed that the factory oem liner for the transmission is no longer there covering it . is it supposed to be like that ??
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First let me say Thank You to fireball and everyone in this thread for brining these issues to my attention. It is greatly appreciated. I want every customer to be 100% happy with the product they receive!

My apologies for the delayed response, it took me awhile to find this thread and I wanted to have some definitive answers for everyone before I posted.


Sharp Rivets
This was one of my biggest concerns with fireballs installation. Even though our corporate colour is red, I really don't want people bleeding on the product!

I asked our engineering team and found we were lucky enough to have a member of the team that was an expert in automotive riveting. I spoke with him at length, as well as various fastener experts about different types of rivets and rivet guns. Unfortunately after a week of conversations, there weren't any magical solutions. There were very expensive rivets and/or rivet guns, OR (the most popular solution) was simply to grind the tabs down after installation. Considering this creates the possibility of slipping and putting a nice fresh grind mark in the middle of the plate, I wanted a better solution.

This weekend I tested a few ideas. We now use a centre punch during installation of the logo plate to push the sharp end of the rivet back down below the head. It was much faster than grinding and provided a much cleaner result.


Installation with Jeep 'Front Skid Plate'
I've updated the installation instructions to clearly state our Sump Protection Plate goes over the OEM plate.


Installation Difficulty
I've updated the installation instructions with a few more steps, clarified a few sections and added some helpful hints like using a jack or upside down bucket to hold the plate in place during installation.

I removed the plate from our company vehicle and ran through the install again this weekend. The weight of the 5mm plate definitely makes it harder to install then the 3mm. Based on customer feedback and the updated instructions I'd say the 5mm is probably a 3/10 due to it's weight. Since most customers will be installing the 3mm (which is much lighter and easier to manoeuvre) I updated the install difficulty on the site to 2/10.


Bolt Stripping
We now include recommended torque for all the install fasteners in our installations. M6 8.8 fasteners only require 10Nm of torque when dry and 7Nm of torque when using Anti-Seize. That is definitely not a lot of torque. I've also added a bold section to the instructions warning installers to be careful when tightening these fasteners. Hopefully that will help avoid any bolt stripping during installation.

We've also switched to full thread M6 bolts, so the shank doesn't cause any problems on 3mm plate installs. According to the math the shank shouldn't be a problem, but manufacturing tolerances might create a situation where it is. So we've switched bolts to eliminate that potential problem.

If you've stripped the threads in the frame, I recommend installing an M6 TSN nutsert rather than trying to fix the threads in the frame. Jeep doesn't weld a nut on the inside of the frame, but if you look closely you'll see they've used 3mm nutserts rather than just tapping the frame. A nutsert provides more threads and is a much cleaner solution. You can buy a M6 Stainless TSN nutsert for about $0.40 but you'll need a nutsert tool to install it.


Air Dam Removal/installation
It has been amazingly hectic here, but we will definitely be posting a 'How To' on removal/installation of the air dam. It certainly is a bit tricky and the directions in the Owners Manual are not the best.

As fireball mentioned, When re-installing your air dam, you'll only need to refit 5 of the original 7 twist fasteners. Even so, the air dam is very secure when installed this way.


I hope this post has provided some helpful answers for everyone. If there is anything else, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Cheers,
Bill
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Re: installing chief bash plate and recovery hook

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So with this bash plate in place, you can remove the air dams before you leave the house when going offroad without worrying about ripping the felt liners?
Hi eibyer,

With the Sump Protection Plate installed, you certainly can remove the air dam before you leave the house. With the wheel well liners attached to the side of the plate, they will not blow back into the tyres. While developing the pre-runner to protect the lower area behind the air dam, we've been driving around for about a month without the air dam and have had no problems, (other than things looking a bit funny). In fact, I highly recommend removing the air dam before hitting the trails. We tried running a few trails with the air dam on to see if it might provide a bit of protection for the items behind. Instead we found that it gets caught on things and pulls the front bumper out of its clips.

If you have it, I'd also be sure to remove the front ACC Camera before hitting the trails. They are very expensive and easily damaged. We'll be posting a 'How To' on the website for this soon.

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It is very refreshing to see a vendor actually make an effort to ensure a good customer experience.
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Hi eibyer,

With the Sump Protection Plate installed, you certainly can remove the air dam before you leave the house. With the wheel well liners attached to the side of the plate, they will not blow back into the tyres. While developing the pre-runner to protect the lower area behind the air dam, we've been driving around for about a month without the air dam and have had no problems, (other than things looking a bit funny). In fact, I highly recommend removing the air dam before hitting the trails. We tried running a few trails with the air dam on to see if it might provide a bit of protection for the items behind. Instead we found that it gets caught on things and pulls the front bumper out of its clips.

If you have it, I'd also be sure to remove the front ACC Camera before hitting the trails. They are very expensive and easily damaged. We'll be posting a 'How To' on the website for this soon.

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Chief sump guard on a MY14 with ARB winchbar.

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I'm thinking of fitting the ECB polished big tube bullbar. Any thoughts if the bash plate will fit (3mm)? Otherwise may just have to pull the trigger and take my chances it will. Thanks.
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Totally agree, Bill gets my business when the Limited arrives.
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Looks great Hibernator! I got your PM on AusJeep and sent a response, please let me know if it didn't come through.

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I'm thinking of fitting the ECB polished big tube bullbar. Any thoughts if the bash plate will fit (3mm)? Otherwise may just have to pull the trigger and take my chances it will. Thanks.
Hi Red PeeKay,

To my knowledge, no one has fitted our WK2 Sump Protection Plate with an ECB Bull Bar yet. You'd be the first. My thoughts are, if the stock plastic 'Belly Pan' fits with the ECB Bull Bar, then our WK2 Sump Protection Plate should probably fit as well.

I got an email from a customer asking the same thing the other day. Was that you? If not, send me a PM and I'll do my best to help.

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Hi Red PeeKay,

To my knowledge, no one has fitted our WK2 Sump Protection Plate with an ECB Bull Bar yet. You'd be the first. My thoughts are, if the stock plastic 'Belly Pan' fits with the ECB Bull Bar, then our WK2 Sump Protection Plate should probably fit as well.

I got an email from a customer asking the same thing the other day. Was that you? If not, send me a PM and I'll do my best to help.

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Thanks Bill. Am sourcing a car now, so will have a chat to prestige offroad here in Melbourne about what they think. Just lining up all my ducks before I pull the trigger on the car.

With regard to thanking someone, short of adding a comment I think you would just press the scales button at the top of their post and "add to their reputation". Probably as good as a thank you. Once I get the car will pm you re: the bash plate, you may have more information by then.
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I still would not remove the air dam. There is a washer bottle, the felt guard liners and nothing to prevent a stick going through the radiator. There is still a need for someone to develop a "pre runner". Between the bumper and the cross member.
Could not agree with you more
Urgent need for some one to design an air dam replacement
Increase the front ground clearance while keeping other components safe and protected
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