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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

Hi all - I don't think I put my car specs up earlier - my black beauty is built Sept 13; compliance Nov 13; JGC Summit WK MY14 bought as a demo from Sutton City Rosebery May 14 - just under 5,000km on the clock. They aren't our local dealer (we live on the South Coast) but ours is still a 45min drive back up the Coast (Nowra). I must say when we booked her in for a tow bar in Nov 14 they also did updates that were required (and of course the two recalls that came out too - one we knew about via notification from Jeep and one that was very new). I do certainly hope my problems stop after receiving her back tomorrow. Can someone tell me please - so there is no notification from the car that it is doing a regen at any time (so I can keep an eye out for it) ? If there isn't - what are the signs to look out for ? higher temp ? smells ? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Samantha.

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Old 01-29-2015, 04:41 AM
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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

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Apparently, one of the problems is that they lie idle at the Port for 2-3 months before being shipped. Any idle periods like this will make the problem worse.
The self filling DPF. Only available from Jeep.
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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

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Steve - great info. Worth send to JA?


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Not really, was just flicking through the thread after work, and listed all the limp modes reproted. Soon realised that Benno had started a more comphrensive list in the first half of the thread.

There over 50 listed but maybe there's, I'm guessing 15,000 Deisel WK2 MY14's out there in AU.
50 is also probably a small portion (but significant portion) of the diesel WK2 AU owners on Jeepgararge.com


I notice that despite what dealers say about driving highway or short trips it doesn't seem to make that much difference, if there is something wrong with the programming.
Limp modes have come up in the city CBD, on a highway at 100kph, going around a roundabout etc. Anywhere from 280km from new or a 42,000km first timer.
Some of us do short trips and had no problems.
Some have had a regen (with message) success an then all fine
Others have had a successful regen and then later DPF fail & limp mode.

There doesn't seem to be any consistent driver behaviour that would would cause or prevent it.

It's like a lottery.... or Russian Roulette.

I would like to know if anyone has had the latest update and then had a DPF limp mode since.
Obviously we have to give it a while since the latest software is only 6 weeks ago and only 7 ? in thread confirmed as updated to date.
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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

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Hi all - I don't think I put my car specs up earlier - my black beauty is built Sept 13; compliance Nov 13; JGC Summit WK MY14 bought as a demo from Sutton City Rosebery May 14 - just under 5,000km on the clock. They aren't our local dealer (we live on the South Coast) but ours is still a 45min drive back up the Coast (Nowra). I must say when we booked her in for a tow bar in Nov 14 they also did updates that were required (and of course the two recalls that came out too - one we knew about via notification from Jeep and one that was very new). I do certainly hope my problems stop after receiving her back tomorrow. Can someone tell me please - so there is no notification from the car that it is doing a regen at any time (so I can keep an eye out for it) ? If there isn't - what are the signs to look out for ? higher temp ? smells ? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Samantha.
Samantha.

Most times you will not see anything if the car does what it should. The only time you will now about a regen is when it is getting near full and a regen has not been successfully completed due to usage (this was told to me by the garage). When the regen occurs it is logged. Mine had done about 30 successful regens before a DPF full incident in November (23000km). I had only seen one message at about 7000 kms. I have seen one message in early Jan saying 90% full, drive at highway speeds to rectify and the % figure slowly counts down in 10% increments until completed. The message that I see is similar to the DPF full screen that you probably saw. In other words when it is happening you will know. Attached is the message I got in November when the thing threw the teddy out of the cot!!

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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

My MY-14 GC went in for a recall today - the Steering Column one - as I stomped in, I had full intention of insisting that they do the latest up date to solve/fix/bandaid/pretend to cure the DPF issue.

You could have knocked me over with a feather - not long after finding my paperwork, and before I could say anything other than my name. They said they were doing 3 updates - one of these was the DPF (I do remember 04 as an end number on the update, I think I was still in shock).

Keep your fingers crossed, as I'm getting twitchy that my DPF is filling quickly..................all that stop, start driving I do, that a previous tech said was the cause of my DPF issue................he didn't take in to account the 300km highway driving I do every 3 or 4 weeks
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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

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Hi all - I don't think I put my car specs up earlier - my black beauty is built Sept 13; compliance Nov 13; JGC Summit WK MY14 bought as a demo from Sutton City Rosebery May 14 - just under 5,000km on the clock. They aren't our local dealer (we live on the South Coast) but ours is still a 45min drive back up the Coast (Nowra). I must say when we booked her in for a tow bar in Nov 14 they also did updates that were required (and of course the two recalls that came out too - one we knew about via notification from Jeep and one that was very new). I do certainly hope my problems stop after receiving her back tomorrow. Can someone tell me please - so there is no notification from the car that it is doing a regen at any time (so I can keep an eye out for it) ? If there isn't - what are the signs to look out for ? higher temp ? smells ? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Samantha.
I've got 7000kms on mine, Jan2014 build. I've never seen any indication of a dpf regen on mine. Some have suggested they notice fuel consumption rise sometimes and think that may indicate a regen, but who knows.

This seems to be the message SOME people are seeing now during a successful regen:

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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

I am at least one unhappy DPF effected customer that received a written reply from Jeep admitting the problem they had. The day after our GC had a manual burn, to rectify the same old limp mode DPF issue I emailed a very lengthy letter voicing our disappointment in Jeep for letting this annoying and possibly dangerous, problem continue on for months (I had been watching this and other forums) and appear to swan along, soaking up increasing sales, whilst their existing customers were having to except the ongoing saga all here know all to well. I wrote my letter on the 25th of Nov. and received this reply the next day, from Customer Care.
" In regard to the concern with the DPF, I would like to assure you that we are working closely with our technical team to resolve this problem as quickly as possible.
WE will certainly not ignore it and I just want to assure you that Chrysler takes very seriously our customers and their concerns.
We are hoping to have a fix for this concern shortly".
I had the December 18th update flashed last Monday.
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Never knew or was told about this DPF problem when buying my Overland GC. It was a special build due to the colour (True Blue) and took six months to arrive from ordering, build date 06/14. Got the car September 2014 and on the October long week end travelled to Toowoomba from Sydney and return (3000k's), ran like a dream, no problems. Got home did some short trips and medium length trips then at 5266 k's got the message "nearly full drive at highway speeds" and the car went into limp mode within 10 seconds. Took the car to the dealer they did the "forced regeneration and rest all values". All good for the next six weeks and guess what same thing again this time at 7214'ks.

Spoke with dealership service and suggest they update the software with the RRT 14-104 flash. Got the car back today with the updated software, let's see what happens.

Just as a side line up until today have never seen, informed or warned of a regeneration taking place. Also have never had any warnings about the filter level.
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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

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I am at least one unhappy DPF effected customer that received a written reply from Jeep admitting the problem they had. The day after our GC had a manual burn, to rectify the same old limp mode DPF issue I emailed a very lengthy letter voicing our disappointment in Jeep for letting this annoying and possibly dangerous, problem continue on for months (I had been watching this and other forums) and appear to swan along, soaking up increasing sales, whilst their existing customers were having to except the ongoing saga all here know all to well. I wrote my letter on the 25th of Nov. and received this reply the next day, from Customer Care.
" In regard to the concern with the DPF, I would like to assure you that we are working closely with our technical team to resolve this problem as quickly as possible.
WE will certainly not ignore it and I just want to assure you that Chrysler takes very seriously our customers and their concerns.
We are hoping to have a fix for this concern shortly".
I had the December 18th update flashed last Monday.
Thanks for your post, you are correct, this has dragged on far too long. There was obviously a pattern to the issue with the problem affecting MY14 cars far more than the previous car. So obviously something changed. For a long time dealers had been blaming diesel quality and driving style, etc. it was all BS, and seemed to simply be a deflection of blame so they didn't have to fix the problem.

I wonder if one reason for this is that with the diesel being a low volume seller in the US, Jeep Australia had difficulty getting them to troubleshoot and identify the cause with any priority.

Anyway, hopefully this update fixes it for the majority, there is still the potential for sensors to die or tubes to be bent, but hopefully this issue will be heard of far less now.
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I've got 7000kms on mine, Jan2014 build. I've never seen any indication of a dpf regen on mine. Some have suggested they notice fuel consumption rise sometimes and think that may indicate a regen, but who knows.
Interesting you say that, I am wondering if there is always a message on the EVIC when it is doing a regen where there is fuel injected by the ECU specifically to heat the exhaust.
I'm wondering if in certain situations, the car just does it without any message.

I've done about 4700km from new (30th Nov) and never had an EVIC message.

If there is no message, there is nothing to indicate to the driver than your car is "wasting fuel" heating up the exhaust. Wasting fuel is perceived as a bad thing, of course.

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, does it really fall?
If a Jeep does a regen and no message on the EVIC, does it really waste fuel?


I've been monitoring some parameters in the ECU and one of them is a "normalized DPF % full" . It's an SAE standard ECU PID value, which actually is displaying a number, but I don't know yet if its a valid reading that the Jeep actually uses.

I am also reading the CAT temp sensor and an EGT (exhaust gas temp) that appears to work.

Anyway, on Sunday i drove about 470km on the highway and had the CAT temperature displaying.
Mostly it was 250-350 C on the highway 450 C up hills.

In the evening I was cruising 110kph on the highway on a flat stretch near Pheasants nest glance down and the CAT temp is 640 C which is significantly higher than earlier.
I think it must be doing a regen, but there was no mesage on the EVIC.
I had a quick look at the fuel usage screen on the Jeep and it didn't show any significant instantaneuos increase (but the calculated display value might be offsetting not to show the "extra" fuel injected.)

The temp stayed high 540-650 C for a few more minutes, still no message.

Later i pulled over and opened up another OBD app which can "see" the (supposed) DPF % full parameter. It reads 6% (nearly empty). A few days before I saw it was about 50%. I think it must have done a clean and not told me.

I've been checking it since and the %value goes up a little bit on each trip that I do, even the short ones.


more data needed to see if it works, waiting for 100%
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Quite simply we just need to let everyone know as soon as (if) any of us who have had the RRT 14-104 update has a DPF issue.
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Re: Is DPF issue for 2014 CRD fixed now?

I am up to 8500km now and touch wood no DPF issue yet (bet I now get one on the way home today). MY14 06/2014 build and always ran BP Ultimate. No towing and 70% of the total kms would be freeway driving.

I have seen my instant fuel consumption spike by 2-3L for no reason when driving on fwy with cruise set to ~100km/h and this lasts for 10-15km and than goes back to the normal 6-7L.

I have never had a regen message come up on the EVIC. I will ask the dealer at the 10k service to let me know if my car has had a successful regen or if the DPF has just been slowly filling up.
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