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Old 02-26-2014, 01:03 AM
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Re: Jeep service costs

Cheers John - thanks for that. I live in Mudgee in country NSW and travel to Dubbo to get the Overland serviced, I'm not exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to Jeep dealerships out this way. But this is my 1st Jeep and 1st 4WD - so far so good. Have tackled the sand dunes of Stockton beach and loved every second of it!
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Re: Jeep service costs

John,
I have quotes from 4 dealers and the 4 of them have indicated that the transmission and transaxle are to be service at the 50K mark.
With the towing I am doing servicing the transmission and transaxle is just security.
Boy do the prices for the service vary.
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I specifically asked the question of the service advisor - having just changed dealers because of their poor track record with my vehicle over 4 services.
Actually the only reference is to the "transaxle".
"Transmission" has been substituted by myself and the dealer as we had no idea what a transaxle was on a WK2 - the front and rear diffs having had the oil changed by me at 40K. Separate to the transfer case, another subject.

I personally thought 50k was a bit light on for changing of the auto oil - even towing as I drag a bit under 2200kg, but my transmission temps don't change much - and i check…..
I sat beside the advisor as he scrolled through the Jeep service schedule screen on his computer. This software is what they (this dealer) use to print out the standard service printout invoice - and it had all the itemised Jeep RRP prices against the regular service items. He had to go out to 120K before the auto transmission came up.
It did not exist against 50K.
Checking around on the internet I couldn't find any reference to the Mercedes W5A580 transmission requiring a change at 50k.
The Jeep US service schedule for this gearbox notes 100,000 miles or 60,000 miles severe service.
The ATF+4 transmission oil is a long life sophisticated oil produced (OK,maybe only labelled) specifically to Chrysler specs, and this is the only oil Chrysler note for this box.

I reckon my homework is sufficient for me at least, and Australian dealers recommending a change at 50,000k is another example to me of over servicing that is just a consumer ripoff out here.
The price indicated for the oil change was around $500 and some may find it more comforting to pay the money for peace of mind. I'm not on a campaign to get Australian head office to change the service booklet.

I'm comfortable with the advice from my dealer advisor and most likely will get it changed at 100,000k.
just as an aside - i was told that as part of the service they could take a sample of the transmission oil and test it if I was concerned it had been overheated or compromised. I said not to worry.
My decision to go with the info to hand - and certainly not the definitive word on this.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:44 AM
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John47,
I tend to agree. The VE Commodore SV6 I sold for the Jeep didn't have any facility whatever to change the gearbox oil. The gearbox was expected to outlast the car with no further human intervention. Personally the less often a dealer mechanic touches my car, the better I like it. In the industry in which I worked, we found that maintenance induced failures were becoming more significant that lack of maintenance failures to the point that we were seriously considering eliminating maintenance and adopting a fix when fail policy.
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Re: Jeep service costs

Belonging to a European motoring fraternity with older cars now experiencing the woes of Autos sealed for life I'll be happy to pay for a bit of overservicing of the Jeep's transmission. After 100,000km it is "when not if" regarding an auto failure in these cars (although the cars in the 2000s fitted with Asian sourced autos seem better).. Many non Marque service agents have added auto oil changes to the schedule in recent years and are confident they are both improving gearbox life and operation.

Recently a friend with an older WK2 GJC reported he was having some degradation in shifting in the 5 speed auto. After the 50,000km service, during which the auto oil was changed, he is delighted with the improvement, the box changes like it did when it was new.

Clean oil is good, in both the engine and transmission, so I'll be more inclined towards a shorter service interval given I anticipate keeping the GJC for a while.
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GDay Jim,
The auto used in the diesel WK2 we get has been around for quite a while and has a very good reputation - at least as far as I can determine.
I have read of several failures in 2011 and 2012 Jeeps however - in relatively low mileage vehicles that are towing reasonably heavy caravans - so they aren't bulletproof.
Probably what concerns me most is the conflicting information that is presented.
Our service schedule is out of whack with the rest of the world - including New Zealand.
From personal experience I know that in general our driving conditions are not so extremely different to warrant the significant differences, therefore I am cynical about the decisions made by Chrysler to adjust the schedule for Australia.
Up until now I haven't trusted dealers to use the correct lubricants when they do service.
Lots of owners on this and other forums have confirmed this is definitely the case. I supply the best oil I can buy that does comply, and I changed my own diff oils for the same reason.
Other owners should certainly go with information and schedules that they believe is best for their circumstances and comfort level.

Just as an aside, it isn't only clean oil that will make these boxes drive like new.
Last week the Transmission Control Module on our vehicle was reflashed for an unrelated issue - the vehicle drives completely differently - and probably will until it relearns the driving habits of its regular drivers.

We've also got a 1975 HJ Monaro that has clocked over 300,000 on the Turbo 400, and with only 3 oil changes in its life - still drives great. The benchmark is set pretty high!
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Just as an aside, it isn't only clean oil that will make these boxes drive like new. Last week the Transmission Control Module on our vehicle was reflashed for an unrelated issue - the vehicle drives completely differently - and probably will until it relearns the driving habits of its regular drivers.
Hi John

I have heard about a TSB re the auto, but am waiting for the Nav updates and get them both done together. When you say that the auto drives completely differently, bearing in mind what you said in that it still needs to relearn the driver behaviors, in what way is it so different?
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I have heard about a TSB re the auto, but am waiting for the Nav updates and get them both done together. When you say that the auto drives completely differently, bearing in mind what you said in that it still needs to relearn the driver behaviors, in what way is it so different?
The WIN module was replaced due to an intermittent starting issue, and this required other modules to be replaced as well, plus a reflash of most of the other modules (they weren't TSBs though), according to the dealer.

I just checked the flash number - 21-005-13. http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100513.pdf
Our vehicle didn't have any symptoms the bulletin describes but they ran it anyway.

When I drove it out of the yard - the vehicle had more zip and punch. So much so that I went back after driving down the road and asked how they could make it so different!
The service advisor said that the gearbox is likely different due to the flash - the TCM "learns" driving habits and adjusts gear change patterns according to some fuzzy program. it would have gone back to the default program, or the auto TSB is just an improvement.
This is what I got from WK2jeeps :
"The shift schedule adapts to individual driving style, driving situation and road conditions, altering shift points based on an accelerator pedal usage, brake usage, lateral acceleration, altitude and load on the car as a result of grades."
We've towed our van lots and maybe the TCM previous version had included the loaded shifts in its memory.

Certainly at the moment anyway the thing has a bit more zip - nice to drive.
Those that drive their vehicles "like they stole it" probably won't notice such a difference!

4 trips to Brisbane this week, plus a trip to Townsville and back in the week before - 7.8l/100k showing on the economy screen.
We're happy.
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Thanks for the reply John.
I have always been surprised that the CRD REVS a lot higher through the gears then what I would have expected for a diesel, even under light or moderate throttle. The shift patterns, to me anyway, were more like that expected for a petrol engine, rather than using the torque of the diesel to power away. I thought that maybe that is what these new tech diesels are like. It will be interesting to see if that changes, but am now used to it.
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Was just quoted $713 for 24k service on (petrol 5.7). Seems a little pricey?
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Was just quoted $713 for 24k service on (petrol 5.7). Seems a little pricey?
More than just a little!
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