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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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You know you can spend a lot of money trying to save 1, 2, or 3 mpg
I would agree with everything you said if we were talking about 1, 2, or 3 mpg.... but realistically were talking about something closer to 10 mpg. Which is quite a difference.

I just hate the idea of getting 13 mpg in the city, that's rediculous... I mean if I were paying gas prices of 1960, no problem.

Buts is 2011, not 1960. Gas prices have increased more than 10 times.... but mpg... still about the same...
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

I seriously considered both the VW Toureg diesel and the ML350 BlueTec. Both nice trucks, but diesel in Southern California is tantamount to rape and so it would have taken 5yrs or longer to pay back the higher purchase price due to the high diesel price (something like 40-45 cents/gal higher than regular). So I got the HEMI with all the bells and whistles and I'm very happy with the decision.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

Why would you buy a SUV for MPG?
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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Why would you buy a SUV for MPG?
LOL.... because if I wanted a REAL truck with shitty MPG, I would buy a pickup..

An SUV should be the compromise between car and pickup.... and the MPG should match as well. But many full size pickups are getting the same or better gas mileage...
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

Europeans and Sissies always talk about gas mileage like it is the only consideration.

It is not.

What you consider important is not what I might consider important (or as important). Your line of reason is not the only one. Other people have other priorities and requirements.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

Who cares about gas mileage. I want acceleration and will be getting a WK2SRT8 with the 6.4 L V8 Hemi.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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Who cares about gas mileage. I want acceleration and will be getting a WK2SRT8 with the 6.4 L V8 Hemi.
ohhh yeah,

I havent even got my 2011 Overland yet, (still waiting for it), but yeah, looking forward to taking this for a drive. Hopefully will be able to trade up to the 2013 model when the 8speed auto is introduced
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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You know you can spend a lot of money trying to save 1, 2, or 3 mpg.

I've been driving a cummins diesel for over 6 years. I love the torque and pulling power of the diesel, and the fact that is is near impossible to stall but it is not nearly as fun to drive as the Hemi. Something like the turtle and the hare.

Diesels have a narrow optimum rpm range, however, run outside the range and take at least a 10% hit, easily a 20% hit in fuel economy. They take forever to warm up and offer no engine braking. You will kill them making short trips unless you keep them idling.. which will kill the injectors. Up until very recently diesel fuel was 10 to 25 cents more than premium gas in the US, over 50 cents a gallon more than regular. You would need over 15% real mpg to break even on fuel cost, and thats before factoring in the additional initial investment.

Diesels are not clean by any means, an old wives tale. The combustion byproducts are more noxious than gas, but can be cleaned up with a lot of heavy, power robbing filters, and expensive technology.

Some Diesels, like the cummins, can run on about any fuel, kerosene, vegetable oil, diesel fuel and easily reach 500,000 miles with little wear. When they break, however, they are very expensive to repair. They can be considered clean perhaps when run on vegetable oil, but the neighborhood smells like fries.

Some just love the oil burners, however.

So buy the diesel if thats what you need for towing or running the out back or city life... or because you just like them... but for cents per mile and cost of ownership, you need a pretty special case for the diesel to come anywhere close to the gas V8, let alone the gas V6.
While all valid points do you have any experience with modern automotive diesels? About the only thing the Cummins has in common with a modern automotive diesel is the way they combust fuel.

My colleagues in Europe have been driving diesel automobiles, SUV's and Minivans for over a decade and I have had a lot of discussions on these topics. While not being able to comment directly on short trips, injectors, etc. I have not heard of excessively high failure rates or any special ways they operate their vehicles.

About the only real differences, and the major reason Diesels aren't more popular here, is the quality of the fuel (actually, no longer a big issue IMHO since fuel regulations changed a few years ago) and the price. In Europe, and the rest of the world diesel is anywhere from 10% to 50% less expensive than "petrol". If that were the case here ($2.00 diesel) car makes couldn't build diesels fast enough. In Europe I believe they have passed the 50% point, where 50% or more new vehicles on the road are diesels.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

In Australia the price of Diesel is very close to petrol, but the price of Petrol seems to change wildly during the week. A main advantage of Diesel over Petrol is the fact that Diesel is more consistant in their MPG in comparison to petrol. It is also less likely to be driven hard as they are more a lazy motor.
One thing you can bet on is the price of fuel will increase a lot more in the future, you will also start to see penalties for gas guzzlers and cars that polute more. The modern diesels are a very clean motor and very economical, it is also only 3/10ths slower to 60mph than the Hemi, and I can up the boost with an easy ECU flash.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

I think the big reason for the higher cost in fuel is the cost for all the refineries to switch over to ULSD production. As more and more have switched over the supply has gone up and the costs have gone down. Now all automotive diesel in North America is ULSD and prices will continue to fall in relation to gas. Like they said about here in Canada diesel is significantly cheaper than even regular fuel.

As for problems due to a lack of lubricity that's because the sulphur used to act as a lubricant and the move to ULSD has eliminated most of the sulphur. However all new diesels would be designed with this in mind. So that's a moot point for anything built in the last 6-7 years.

Having owned a 08 CRD which is now driven by my girlfriend I would never have considered a GC otherwise. Once your foot adapts to driving a diesel and you can keep it in the powerband it's no different as you still have all the torque of a hemi. Of course the added mileage is a major boost. We wouldn't consider upgrading her vehicle until the CRD is available. If we were worried about costly repairs we'd get an extended warranty and be done with it.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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I would agree with everything you said if we were talking about 1, 2, or 3 mpg.... but realistically were talking about something closer to 10 mpg. Which is quite a difference.

I just hate the idea of getting 13 mpg in the city, that's rediculous... I mean if I were paying gas prices of 1960, no problem.

Buts is 2011, not 1960. Gas prices have increased more than 10 times.... but mpg... still about the same...
You may hate the idea of getting 13mpg, but that is the reality. If you want something big enough to tow some stuff, gas mileage will be low. If you don't tow, get a car which will get much better gas mileage. If you need something to go off-road, gas mileage will be low. It's simple.

The diesel may get better mileage but I doubt the TCO will be cheaper over the Hemi. I don't count the v6 because it shouldn't even be an option in a 5000lb. suv.
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

Will shortly be ordering a Hemi. For future purchases will have to see the numbers and experiences.
However, several points seem to be overlooked.
New purchase price, how close? Several years ago priced diesel vans vs gas vans. The diesel vans were about US $ 6,000 to US $ 8,000 more. Do not know what the delta is for Jeeps.
Cold weather starting: have owned two MB diesel sedans. One would start at -10 F and one was near impossible to start at -10 F.
Worked at the secret labs at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. One winter it dropped to -40 to -50, colder than Alaska. The diesel 4x4trucks and big generators were almost impossible to start. We had to tow them indoors to heat up. We were able to get the gas trucks started outdoors.
Same experiences at the Arctic Test Center.
The difference in acceleration between a heavy MB diesel sedan and a heavy MB gas sedan is quite noticeable.
One has to match the tool with the need.
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