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Old 06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

On pure highway trips I am achieving 21-24mpg. The diesel is a better powerplant for towing and, having a turbo, can more readily have its power increased with a performance chip. However, the real world comparison, as noted, would be a Touareg and with it's 3.0 diesel rating at 28mpg highway. The real world economy I know to be closer to 25-26. For that few mpg difference it isn't worth the cost (extra noise, slight performance drop,) to me. Considering the other vehicles I shopped, all of which are owned by friends or relatives, I'm doing better economy-wise that I would have with another choice not that I bought an SUV for economy.
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:27 PM
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

There will never be a right answer.
That's why we have choices....V6, V8 or perhaps diesel.
Likewise you can discuss all day which is of better value....Laredo, Limited or Overland.

We will all buy what we think is right for us. There is no right or wrong decision.
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There will never be a right answer.
That's why we have choices....V6, V8 or perhaps diesel.
Likewise you can discuss all day which is of better value....Laredo, Limited or Overland.

We will all buy what we think is right for us. There is no right or wrong decision.
you are right, but it's fun to argue about on the internet.
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you are right, but it's fun to argue about on the internet.
Agreed, but I think I'll stop debating for now.

Now if they only had a jeep which could do 25-30mpg combined with 350 hp and 400 ft/lb, we'd all be happy.

But for some reason I don't see that happening in the next 10 years...
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:46 PM
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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Will shortly be ordering a Hemi. For future purchases will have to see the numbers and experiences.
However, several points seem to be overlooked.
New purchase price, how close? Several years ago priced diesel vans vs gas vans. The diesel vans were about US $ 6,000 to US $ 8,000 more. Do not know what the delta is for Jeeps.
Cold weather starting: have owned two MB diesel sedans. One would start at -10 F and one was near impossible to start at -10 F.
Worked at the secret labs at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. One winter it dropped to -40 to -50, colder than Alaska. The diesel 4x4trucks and big generators were almost impossible to start. We had to tow them indoors to heat up. We were able to get the gas trucks started outdoors.
Same experiences at the Arctic Test Center.
The difference in acceleration between a heavy MB diesel sedan and a heavy MB gas sedan is quite noticeable.
One has to match the tool with the need.
Here in Australia my dealer quoted me the diesel option at the same price as Hemi.
If there was to be a premium of more than a couple of grand, then the diesel will make less sense.

I'm still on the fence, I have grave questions of reliability over VM product. I was a marine engineer for 12+ years and have seen the disasters they've produced in the past....... hopefully they stay in the past!
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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Yes upon further review, some of those figures would have to be slightly adjusted, but still I can't see good reason for a HEMI over the CRD.

And I apologize again, after reading some threads, it seems this issue has come up before and there are opinions on either side.

But I'm still sticking to the CRD side
I was looking at the CRD as well and was putting off my purchase but a big factor for me is the fact that the CRD IS NOT eligible for the Lifetime Maxcare warranty which I'll be getting on the Jeep just like I have on my Ram. No diesels are eligible for the Lifetime Warranty. That pretty much ruled out the CRD for me.
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:58 AM
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

Have a JGC 2.7lt CRD for 8 years now 280,000km
Getting a Hemi JGC when it gets here in OZ. (September)
The 2.7l merc engine has bean a reliable engine.
Diesel here is 10-15c/lt more than Gas
Worked out the running cost everything has been recorded in my accounts program.
worked out to be 0.7428c/km
Using estimates the hemi worked out to be 0.7456c/km
extra $1000 over 8 years.
So far the VM engine is not proven.
I have not seen an actual test drive only figures copied from Jeep and other sites.

And the best thing for me No More Smelly Diesel Hands after filling up.
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That too is a BIG consideration for me, I don't like using the dirty side of the servo!
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:21 AM
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

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That too is a BIG consideration for me, I don't like using the dirty side of the servo!
Forgot walking through the diesel puddle the last guy left
The smell does not evaporate like gas.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:38 AM
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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

Or getting to an outback servo that only has the massive bowser neck, and it won't fit in the farking tank!
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Why would you buy a SUV for MPG?

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Re: Just browsing Jeep.com Europe, and WOW, why would you buy a HEMI?!

People buy SUV's because they can be a good "all rounder".

If an SUV is offered with a driveline that can offer you good performance, towing ability, and off-road prowess, WITH the economy of a mid size sedan, then I ask you, WHY NOT?????!?!?!?!
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