For those that are interested, attached is a copy of the elusive MS11106 spec.
The comparison below between MS11106 and MB 229.51 is from the guys at BITOG.
"Based on this, here are a few things that stood out for me. Compared to MB 229.51:
1. MS-11106 has a stricter sulphur content limit.
2. MS-11106 has a stricter chlorine content limit.
3. MS-11106 has a lower Pour Point requirement.
4. MS-11106 has stricter limits on Foam Tendencies tests.
5. MS-11106 only allows Xw-30 grade oils.
6. MS-11106 has an additional ASTM D6335 test for High Temp Deposits.
7. MS-11106 has an additional ASTM D7097 test for Medium High Temperature Deposits(TEOST)."
so is this for 3.0l diesel engine oil?
I have read down the list and are they saying mobil, shell, Valvoline oils are good to use?
if so which ones? mobil what? shell what? Valvoline what?
cheers:thumbsup:
Also is this info for the latest diesel engine (vm motori)
Pour point and foaming tendencies aren't listed in the MB standard as far as I can see. And of course no spec on high temp deposits, but otherwise close.
Just thought I would add Shell Helix HX7 ( MS 11106 approved) is what I use for the 3.0L CRD GC
$45 from Auto Pro or SuperCheap for 5L
I buy 2 at a time and give it to Jeep when getting a service instead of paying $160 for their oil.
Just thought I would add Shell Helix HX7 ( MS 11106 approved) is what I use for the 3.0L CRD GC
$45 from Auto Pro or SuperCheap for 5L
I buy 2 at a time and give it to Jeep when getting a service instead of paying $160 for their oil.
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Coops I admire your thinking, however perhaps a bit more research might be worthwhile.
The HX7 ECT is a semi synthetic oil, and can't comply with MS11106 let alone be "Approved".
It'll take a few cups of coffee to work your way through the several threads on here.
Our 2015 is going to drink Mobil 1 - same as our 2012 did.
I reckon the cost is negligible in the scheme of things.
John
Thanks John and Benn0 for enlightening me on the finer details of oil. I guess I trusted what I read on back of the container. I saw MS11106 and thought you beauty! I guess oils ain't oils....
I will be changing oil type based on your research just after I make another coffee.
Cheers
Mike
Umm - depends on where you get your information. I take WK2 Jeeps info as pretty much gospel.
I posted this in the Jeep service costs thread relating to a post by Bob T commenting on his service indicator……
"Pretty sure that CJD vehicles in Australia have the most severe service schedule anywhere in the world - and its not because of the conditions they operate in!
Just went to WK2Jeeps where I should have gone in the first place….no info relating to the diesel - but this for the petrol……and a little note that says for export vehicles the indicator system is disabled - it wasn't on our 2012!
From WK2Jeeps -
"Schedules A and B have long been a part of required and recommended maintenance on Chrysler Group vehicles. One drawback of using these schedules is that customers sometimes end up making a best "guesstimate" of the correct maintenance interval.
With the introduction of the Oil Change Indicator system, that's going to change - customers are automatically notified via the cluster or EVIC that an oil change is required. In addition, the system does away with Schedules A and B and instead combines both into easy-to-use lists and tables.
The Oil Change Indicator system uses the Powertrain Control Module to process a variety of inputs and then decides on an oil change interval. The factors which point toward severe use include the following:
Ambient temperature inputs which indicate extended periods of low temperature operation
Average vehicle speeds which indicate stop-and-go driving
Run time which indicates prolonged idling
Trip lengths and coolant temperatures which indicate short trips
Engine RPM and engine loads which indicate trailer tow usage
Fuel indications of an ethanol percentage of 60 percent or greater
The system cannot keep track of dusty conditions or time elapsed since the last maintenance. In fact, it is possible for the maximum allowable maintenance time interval to elapse without an oil change reminder. In such a case, it is the owner's responsibility to ensure that maintenance is performed according to the recommended interval.
Based on the inputs, at a fixed number of miles since the last reset, the Powertrain Control Module decides on the severity of the operating conditions. If one or more of the conditions indicates severe use, the PCM sends a message over the bus so that the appropriate message can be displayed. If the PCM decides that the normal service interval applies, it waits until additional mileage has accumulated before sending out the request for a message."
John"
Ok, better than I thought and should provide a reasonable basis. Obviously the full proof measure is an assessment of the active additive left in the oil.
Swampy has posted great information with his Blackstone oil tests of the Mobil 1 ESP he uses. http://www.jeepgarage.org/f190/1st-oil-test-m1-esp-5w30-my12-jgc-3-0l-diesel-74944.html
The TBN numbers and the comments indicate his engine and the M1 oil can go longer than the 10K changes he runs.
it would be interesting to see an oil test result with the change extended till the oil change indicator comes up.
I'm not that fussed, to me a 10K change isn't an issue in the overall scheme.
Our 2012 at nearly 100K was really strong and having drunk M1 all its life and with 10K changes I was confident it was in as good condition internally as possible.
The newie will drink the same.
John