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Old 05-13-2012, 07:11 AM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Hi all,

I mentioned in an earlier post that I'm working on non-oem solutions for this.

Thanks to josh3008 and the measurements he posted earlier, I think I might be able to come up with something using generic 4500kg rated recovery hook such as those made by Bushranger/Black Rat/Ridge Ryder, and standard 75x40 Parallel Flange Channel (PFC) rolled steel section.

The PFC should have a capacity of about 8000kg in a straight line pull, and the flanges of the PFC will provide resistance to twisting in a sideways pull.

I think having a two hook setup and using an equalising strap between them, there would be more than enough capacity for most recoveries. To maximise strength, I wil be looking at using 12.9 grade high tensile bolts.

I reckon this could be done for less than $100 for two front recovery points each capable of 4500kg.

Work will start once my GC arrives and I will happily share with you guys how it's done once I have worked it out.


EDIT 14 May - Thinking about this further, I might use 75x50x8 or 65x50x8 Unequal Angle (UA) section. They have a larger cross sectional than the 75x40 PFC, and a thicker root section which would be stronger that than the root (where the flange and web join) of the PFC section. Should also be easier to cut and shape with an ange grinder where needed.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:27 PM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Savvas, while I think it is great you are trying to find another solution to the recovery hook problem, you are taking a gamble on this fix.
If your solution was to cause injury, death or another liability problem, you would be the one that is going to cop the blame.
While the engineering of your hooks may be more then enough, there is always a rick that the attachment to the vehicle may not be suitable.
Why do you not wait for what solution Jeep come up with ?
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:51 PM
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Savvas, while I think it is great you are trying to find another solution to the recovery hook problem, you are taking a gamble on this fix.
If your solution was to cause injury, death or another liability problem, you would be the one that is going to cop the blame.
While the engineering of your hooks may be more then enough, there is always a rick that the attachment to the vehicle may not be suitable.
Why do you not wait for what solution Jeep come up with ?
I know it's a risk, but it's calculated.

The brackets will have at least an 8 tonne capacity each. The rated recovery hooks will each have a capacity of 4.5 tonne (10000lbs). Compare this with the OEM 2011 GC recovery hooks which are only rated to 2.5 tonne (5500lbs) each.

What I dont know is the capacity of the GC's frame, and I reckon this will actually be the weak point.

I am waiting to see what Jeep come up with, and I'm not likely to do anything before July. My end game anyway is to have an ARB bullbar ... if and when they become available.

I'm a structural engineer by qualification, even though I switched to IT about 22 years ago.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:32 AM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

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I know it's a risk, but it's calculated.

The brackets will have at least an 8 tonne capacity each. The rated recovery hooks will each have a capacity of 4.5 tonne (10000lbs). Compare this with the OEM 2011 GC recovery hooks which are only rated to 2.5 tonne (5500lbs) each.

What I dont know is the capacity of the GC's frame, and I reckon this will actually be the weak point.

I am waiting to see what Jeep come up with, and I'm not likely to do anything before July. My end game anyway is to have an ARB bullbar ... if and when they become available.

I'm a structural engineer by qualification, even though I switched to IT about 22 years ago.
Go for it! I'm a Civil Engineer myself and tempted to do likewise but in terms of time and materials, I don't think I could beat the $300 or whatever it is they will ask for it.
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Thnx for the thoughts guys. I've no doubt both Jeep and several aftermarket suppliers will provide a solution sooner or later. I even think that a few of our forum buddies have gone very quiet and I wonder if they've actually manufactured a solution for themselves and are out off road enjoying the ride???
Can't believe how many 2012 WK2's I'm seeing on the road. Easy to spot them, they're the one's without front recovery hooks.
Think we need to keep the pressure on and suggest more posts on Jeep Aus Facebook. The public forum can't be ignored, is to the point and you can be as subtle as a sledgehammer without being nasty.
Also thinking of starting a new post called "What's the most dangerous place you've taken your 2012 WK2?" asking for pics of your WK2 in a shopping centre carpark etc:-)
I spent the weekend at home looking out my back window at a hill called Mt Disappointment just north of Melbourne. This is the western side and start of the Vic Alps, and this item is beginning to really annoy me.
If anyone's interested, PM me and I'll send you the email that my dealer forwarded on from Jeep Aus. My dealer has been excellent and is clearly as frustrated and disappointed as I am, hence why I don't want to publically post his reply to me.
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Think we need to keep the pressure on and suggest more posts on Jeep Aus Facebook. The public forum can't be ignored, is to the point and you can be as subtle as a sledgehammer without being nasty.
Also thinking of starting a new post called "What's the most dangerous place you've taken your 2012 WK2?" asking for pics of your WK2 in a shopping centre carpark etc:-)
I've posted on the Jeep Facebook site but I'm beginning to believer it is nothing but rah rah advertising for Jeep masquerading as a genuine forum. We might do better boycotting it in favour of sites like this with its huge membership. Also, emailing the 4x4 mags is a good idea. I emailed 4x4 Australia which then came out with an article on the recovery hook issue although I doubt if that was my doing alone.
I'll look forward to your site. However, I have no intention of going to dangerous places , only interesting places where I couldn't otherwise get to.
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

I am happy to pay $300 for jeep solution if it means mean I can recover the car. If the solution is some sort of bullbar with hooks I will pass on that solution.


Ultimate option is “Class Action”. The cost of this would be high. However if 2012 GC owners gather momentum on Class Action, Jeep AU will do something about it? How many are affected? (how many 2012 GCs sold in AU?)
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I am effected, so that alone justifies corporal punishment for Jeep.
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

I'm in too, but for now have been told by my dealer end of May so have to honour that. If after this date, there is no solution I will contact you all via this forum, AusJeep and Facebook and start the process. The sad part is my dealer will get caught in this possibly somewhat unfairly, but then they sold me the vehicle and made money on my deal so there is a level of accountability.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:33 PM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

You do not need a class action, The Department of Fair Trading would be all over this if enough people complain. Just look at what Apple had to do, change the advertising of the iPad to remove 4G references, they do act if it is a case of misleading advertising. If you had 2011 brochures that show a tow hook and were not advised that they were removed, then that is pretty clear cut. Jeep just need to be told that they need to make good, offer compensation or a full refund. It will be your choice as to which option you want.
All you need to do is see how many people have got new tyres because we were told that they were all terrain, when they are actually all season. This is what happens if you are not accurate in your product description, you pay the price.
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As the Department of Fair Trading is state based, should coordinate different state petitions? I'm happy to wait until end of May but that is over 6 months(at the very least) from when CA would have known this was going to become an issue.
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

I keep thinking that they are purposely delaying it so it is past 6 months or something - maybe they have found a loophole with Fair Trading... Only reason I can see for them delaying now...
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