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Old 01-20-2014, 09:20 AM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Update...
I ripped the front off my 2014 GC tonite to snap the pics below.

The good news - Chassis rails have 2 x 10.9 mm captive nuts each side. And they do not look "short" to me.

On the other hand - the cross member is quite "shaped" as per Benn0's pic of a Aussie 2012-13 car. The member appears thinner than the US member? - only 23mm at the chassis. There is a 23mm thick polystyrene facing over the whole cross member. The bottom of the cross member is positioned 4-5 mm lower than the underside of the chassis rail, whereas the US rail seems to sit higher than the chassis - requiring the packers between it and the hook.

Securing the front of the hooks remains the issue to resolve. I will wait until I see the parts and decide which way to go.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:48 PM
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On the other hand - the cross member is quite "shaped" as per Benn0's pic of a Aussie 2012-13 car.



Securing the front of the hooks remains the issue to resolve.

Yep, looks the same as MY12-13, and presents the same issue as the last two years. Basically, unless you want to involve yourself in some serious engineering, your options are as follows:

1. Get the 'Jeep Australia' recovery hook, and have a single 4.5t rated recovery point which requires you to remove the lower section of your bumper to use (only 5 quarter-turn clips and recommended for off-road use by Jeep). These were going for around $300 on eBay last time I checked.

2. Get 2 of the 'Jeep Australia' hook kits and have a reverse bracket fabricated to give you two 4.5t rated recovery points, but still requiring the removal of the lower bumper for use. This is the option I originally chose, and I have since passed on the hooks to another member. It cost me about $700 but gave me piece of mind.

3. Wait for bmackin / Chief Products' recovery points to go into production and have these fitted. I believe these have been rated for recovery, but I don't know the figures or cost off the top of my head. I haven't been following them as I went with option 4.

4. Have a bullbar fitted. This is the most expensive option, but also gives additional protection to the front of the vehicle, the low-mounted windscreen washer bottle and air suspension compressor, and replaces the plastic bash plate with a metal one, as well as increasing approach angle and allowing fitment of a winch, driving lights, aerials, etc. ECB and Uneek 4x4 bars each have two unrated recovery points (Uneek's appear pretty substantial and I would be confident using them. I haven't eyeballed ECB's so can't comment on them), and ARB will have a single 4.5t rated point when it becomes available (no date for availability the last I checked). I went with a Uneek bar.

5. The Rocky Road winch mount kit replaces the steel crossmember thingy pictured above and allows fitment of the US hooks. It retains the factory bumper so does not affect the styling. The cheapest you can get this with the hooks is US$465 plus postage to Australia. There are other options which also allow fitment of driving lights. I know of at least one forum member in Oz with this option.


One forum member said he managed to fit the US hooks himself but would not share how. I'm not aware of any other options, but feel free to add if you know of another.


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Old 01-20-2014, 04:06 PM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

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Yep, looks the same as MY12-13, and presents the same issue as the last two years. Basically, unless you want to involve yourself in some serious engineering, your options are as follows:
Thanks for the response Studgun.
I'm not sure which way to go - it's Bullshit to be in this situation isn't it?
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:19 PM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Yep, I'd say based on that the hooks won't fit, but might be worth taking to the dealer and seeing if they can do a quick check of the brackets against the mount points.

If they don't work, then the Chief Products hook is the way to go I would think. That is probably what I will end up doing.

edit: Interesting though that some think they have seen MY14s with the hooks installed. There was a suggestion of a new part number. If Jeep modified the brackets, then they should fit..... but I'd expect a different part number for that.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:16 PM
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

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Update...
I ripped the front off my 2014 GC tonite to snap the pics below.

The good news - Chassis rails have 2 x 10.9 mm captive nuts each side. And they do not look "short" to me.

On the other hand - the cross member is quite "shaped" as per Benn0's pic of a Aussie 2012-13 car. The member appears thinner than the US member? - only 23mm at the chassis. There is a 23mm thick polystyrene facing over the whole cross member. The bottom of the cross member is positioned 4-5 mm lower than the underside of the chassis rail, whereas the US rail seems to sit higher than the chassis - requiring the packers between it and the hook.

Securing the front of the hooks remains the issue to resolve. I will wait until I see the parts and decide which way to go.
Hi Benaldo,

Based on the photos you've posted, you're front end is exactly the same as the MY12 & MY13 export WK2s. I'm sure there is a way to mount these hooks, but it would require some fabrication and hole drilling to make it work properly.

I am test fitting our (Chief Products) hooks Jan 25th on numerous model WK2s and based on the photos you've posted, there shouldn't be any problems with MY14 models.

I'll be sure to take some photos and post them here so everyone can see the results.

On a side note, I was at the dealer last month and I noticed they've got a new Overland Summit model to match the US. It looks great, but has no holes in the air dam for recovery hooks.

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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

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Yep, looks the same as MY12-13, and presents the same issue ///SNIP///

1. Get the Mopar recovery hook, and have a single 4.5t rated recovery point which requires you to remove the lower section of your bumper to use (only 5 quarter-turn clips and recommended for off-road use by Jeep). These were going for around $300 on eBay last time I checked.

2. Get 2 of the Mopar kits and have a reverse bracket fabricated to give you two 4.5t rated recovery points, but still requiring the removal of the lower bumper for use. This is the option I originally chose, and I have since passed on the hooks to another member. It cost me about $700 but gave me piece of mind.

///SNIP///
Quality summary Rhys. Just one thing regarding the Jeep Australia hook kit and "additional" hook kit I bought from you though... the MY14 bumper knockouts are different, and I'd have no hesitation to be recovered with the lower bumper section fitted. The bridle would be well clear of the Tupperware.

This might not be the case with the single Jeep Australia hook depending on the angle of pull, noting that in many cases "straight" produces significant angle effects when yanking off one side.

Personally, the thought of recovering one of these things from one corner when heavily bogged gives me a kinda sick feeling. I would probably prefer to 'dig and tow" rather than snatch from one side. A corner pull lacks appreciation of the lines of force involved and is simply hard on the car... plus requires extra recovery effort to be applied, which may make or break the exercise.

Thanks again for sorting me out with your cast-offs Rhys.

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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

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On a side note, I was at the dealer last month and I noticed they've got a new Overland Summit model to match the US. It looks great, but has no holes in the air dam for recovery hooks.

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The stupidity is endless. It sounds like high drama, but they may as well have left out the 4WD system as well. I suppose it gets the full awesomeness of the screw in tow point?

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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

If you buy a Summit to go off road in a serious manner instead of an Overland, you need your head looked at, or you have been busy follow Zybane’s build and really want to replicate it.

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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Someone in the US thread cut holes in their bumper to install the hooks. Looks rough, but can be done it seems.

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Quality summary Rhys. Just one thing regarding the Jeep Australia hook kit and "additional" hook kit I bought from you though... the MY14 bumper knockouts are different, and I'd have no hesitation to be recovered with the lower bumper section fitted. The bridle would be well clear of the Tupperware.

This might not be the case with the single Jeep Australia hook depending on the angle of pull, noting that in many cases "straight" produces significant angle effects when yanking off one side.

Personally, the thought of recovering one of these things from one corner when heavily bogged gives me a kinda sick feeling. I would probably prefer to 'dig and tow" rather than snatch from one side. A corner pull lacks appreciation of the lines of force involved and is simply hard on the car... plus requires extra recovery effort to be applied, which may make or break the exercise.

Thanks again for sorting me out with your cast-offs Rhys.

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If you are talking about the factory supplied screw in towing eye that is located in the spare tyre area and screwed into the front air dam drivers side RHD

I would not use that for anything more than a flat tow onto a flat bed tow truck
If you pull of the air dam and have a look at what that towing eye screws into you will see my point
The screwbrack is held by one small bolt to the chassis
I can hardly wait for real rated recovery points from Cheif products. I will feel much safer.
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If you are talking about the factory supplied screw in towing eye that is located in the spare tyre area and screwed into the front air dam drivers side RHD

I would not use that for anything more than a flat tow onto a flat bed tow truck
If you pull of the air dam and have a look at what that towing eye screws into you will see my point
The screwbrack is held by one small bolt to the chassis
I can hardly wait for real rated recovery points from Cheif products. I will feel much safer.

Nah mate, the 'Jeep Australia' accessory recovery hook which is rated to 4.5t. I bought two and had an identical bracket fabricated in reverse so The second hook could be fitted in place of that useless tow eye, and this is what Steve now has, giving him two rated recovery points, one on each side.


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If you are talking about the factory supplied screw in towing eye that is located in the spare tyre area and screwed into the front air dam drivers side RHD

I would not use that for anything more than a flat tow onto a flat bed tow truck
If you pull of the air dam and have a look at what that towing eye screws into you will see my point
I'd have thought that my subsequent post regarding the Summit would have alluded my thoughts on the screw in towing eye!

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