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Old 03-28-2014, 04:10 AM
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Nope - the reason JA have always given is that they are non compliant with Aus design rules. Which I don't believe by the way. Otherwise how can trailhawk be fitted with the hooks?

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Nope - the reason JA have always given is that they are non compliant with Aus design rules. Which I don't believe by the way. Otherwise how can trailhawk be fitted with the hooks?
The MY13 Trailhawks proves JA are liars
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

I believe limited run production vehicles are excluded from some rules. That's how the Trailhawk's slip through.
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

Here's a thought.....the US (includes NZ) and export (includes Australian) chassis frames are identical and the only difference is the steel bumper reinforcement member (located behind the plastic front bumper shell) is 'pedestrian safe' for the export versions. This pedestrian safe front end has more styrofoam and less steel to absorb and lessen the potential impact to pedestrians. Just saying.....

As the AU steel bumper reo is a different weaker (softer) design it doesn't include the fixing points for the front recovery hooks. Would replacing the AU reo with the US version reo be adequate to fit the Jeep factory recovery hooks?

If the above is correct, how the heck do bull bars get ADR approval as they are designed to be a hell of a lot stronger than the standard front end and WILL do a lot more damage to a pedestrian.

Also, the mopar skid plates do not cover forward of the front crossmember, it still has a weak cardboard type material, hence why the Chief products front skid plate to protect from the radiator support to the front crossmember.... but does that skid plate now affect any of the ADRs due to the front end being stronger/tighter and not crumpling according to the ADR tested factory cars?

Then you have to ask yourself about insurance, will it and could it be voided if the shit hits the fan (involved in an accident and insurance company says car doesn't meet ADR blah blah so void the policy)?

Questions, questions.
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I was just thinking the exact thing. But are insurance companies that smart???
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I believe limited run production vehicles are excluded from some rules. That's how the Trailhawk's slip through.
Sorry don't buy that
If its not legal on Grand Cherokee limited etc than its not legal on a Talhawk
They are the same vehicle
Only difference is options fitted at factory.
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Nope - the reason JA have always given is that they are non compliant with Aus design rules. Which I don't believe by the way. Otherwise how can trailhawk be fitted with the hooks?
This is the first time I've heard that explanation, I always thought it was merely a matter of them not fitting the front end. Dealers have been ordering them in for customers only to find they don't fit.
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Re: No tow hooks? Front Recovery Soluition help

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These are the pics of the chromies installed. When we get a bright sunny day I might take another one to show them off better. The first pic shows the Chief Products recovery hook next to that puny afterthought of a hook that Jeep Australia offered us. BTW, the Chief hook is Engineer Certified at 3,750kg SWL whereas Jeep Aust. claim their hook is good for 4,500kg max load whatever "max load" means. Someone is pulling someone's leg here.

For those trying to convince the missus, the hooks stick out about 50mm beyond the plastic but well inside the line of the number plate. Painted black, they won't even be noticed, at least not by women.
It seems I've been missing a few posts on the forums lately. This one got right by me somehow.

The chrome hooks look great Bob! Thanks for posting the photos.

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Here's a thought.....the US (includes NZ) and export (includes Australian) chassis frames are identical and the only difference is the steel bumper reinforcement member.....
No, I believe there is more to it, the rail horns are also shorter, so allow the cross-member to shape back and allow room for the foam packing.

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Would replacing the AU reo with the US version reo be adequate to fit the Jeep factory recovery hooks?
No, I don't believe it would fit, as per for shorter rail horns. Someone from switzerland made up a bracket that makes up for the crossmember not lining up with the original jeep hook mounts:
http://www.jeepgarage.org/f190/no-to...tml#post968982
It shows the problem.
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If the above is correct, how the heck do bull bars get ADR approval as they are designed to be a hell of a lot stronger than the standard front end and WILL do a lot more damage to a pedestrian.
The ADR issue isn't to do with the pedestrian safety. That is an EU requirement, not Australian, as I understand it. You can buy the RRO winchbar which replaces the pedestrian safe cross member, but that is a lot of effort to go to.

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Also, the mopar skid plates do not cover forward of the front crossmember, it still has a weak cardboard type material, hence why the Chief products front skid plate to protect from the radiator support to the front crossmember.... but does that skid plate now affect any of the ADRs due to the front end being stronger/tighter and not crumpling according to the ADR tested factory cars?

Then you have to ask yourself about insurance, will it and could it be voided if the shit hits the fan (involved in an accident and insurance company says car doesn't meet ADR blah blah so void the policy)?

Questions, questions.
Again, I don't believe the ADR says anything about the strength of the crossmember or the pedestrian safety. I haven't heard this excuse that the ADR rules don't allow the hooks to be fitted before. It doesn't stand up to the BS test as you point out, bull bars are allowed under ADR.
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It seems I've been missing a few posts on the forums lately. This one got right by me somehow.
Lack of sleep?
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Again, I don't believe the ADR says anything about the strength of the crossmember or the pedestrian safety. I haven't heard this excuse that the ADR rules don't allow the hooks to be fitted before. It doesn't stand up to the BS test as you point out, bull bars are allowed under ADR.
It's not ADR as it stands that's the problem, it's that Chrysler chose to send European export vehicles to Australia in anticipation of ADR possibly following European rules. Europe requires crushable materials up front. That's why we have all that plastic up front and an aluminium bonnet. I also suspect that this is why the electro-pneumatic brake pump dangles on bits of rubber. Hooks and bull-bars are a definite no-no in nanny state Europe. Someone could hurt themselves . Aussie bull-bar manufacturers are no doubt up in arms and lobbying the government hard not to follow Europe.
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It's not ADR as it stands that's the problem, it's that Chrysler chose to send European export vehicles to Australia in anticipation of ADR possibly following European rules.
I hadn't heard that reason, I thought they had rearranged their assembly lines due to demand. If they did this in anticipation of Oz adopting the rules, why didn't they also move NZ production? (maybe they did, but with the NZ cars having hooks, I'm assuming they haven't)
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