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Re: Rear safety camera

@Bigskiddy, here is all the gory detail in diagrams, pictures and words.

Longer than I'd intended and not quite what I'd envisaged for a write-up, but hey, if someone gets something from this, then I've returned some of what I've obtained from this forum...

I've attached the pinout diagram (D6885A.pdf) from TechAuthority where it shows pin 4 as being the D403 circuit. The diagram (erroneously) says that the colour of the wire is Orange/DkBlue. On my Laredo, it's not! The wire I have coming from mine is light blue. See my first photo.

If you look closely at the side of the male part of the D6885A connector I'm holding, you will see a number "4" on the side next to the blue wire. The female part of the connector has no wire connected into the corresponding pin 4. In your 1st pic of the D6685A connector, pin 4 is the one with the blue wire coming out of it - same as mine! (Not sure why you have a cut un-shielded wire coming from the female connector - the vagaries of Jeep...).

You need to connect one end of your jumper wire to pin 4 of this connector (D6685A - Male).

(If you look really closely at my picture, you can just see the metal part of my jumper wire between the blue & green wires sliding into pin 4. Yes, Its not the best picture, but the point is that this helps you identify the correct pin of the correct plug).

I'll leave you all to work out how to put your wire through all the panels and channels to make it neat and tidy (Hint: Getting it from the liftgate into the body is the tricky bit - through the rubber conduits...).

When you get to the front LHS passenger door hinge, you can remove the kick panel to expose the InlineBody/IP 2 Connector.

(Hint: Make sure you understand the correct location of connectors from TechAuthority, the majority of the diagrams are for LHD vehicles and so they need to be reversed for our RHD models. Sometimes you get an option to select RHD, but mostly, they're backwards! I'm not criticising, but the 1st diagram posted by @67HR is wrong. If you look closely, you'll see that the steering column is on the LHS of the diagram. Then to confuse things more, the TechAuthority diagram identifies I5010 as being on the LHS of the steering column. This shits me! While the connector is on the LHS in a Aus GC, it's to the left of the glove box, not the steering column. <sigh>)

So, to be unambiguous about the location of the InlineBody/IP 2 Connector, see my second attached image with the yellow circle.

Again, I've attached the pinout diagram (I5010.pdf) from TechAuthority where it shows pin 27 (again erroneously) labelled as "no connect". No wonder people can't work this out! In fact, pin 27 has the Orange/DkBlue D403 circuit in that location. (Sorry, but I couldn't be bothered pulling off the panel to take a picture).

You need to connect the other end of your jumper wire to pin 27 of this connector. (Note: This is one of those 'lever' connectors that ejects/engages with a plastic U-handle. Took me a while to figure out how it opened beacuse there's a fiddly lock on the U-handle to stop it popping open!)

And then after I did this second connection, I switched on my engine, engaged reverse, saw the dynamic lines and heard sound of trumpets & applause! (OK, there were no trumpets or applause, just silent dynamic lines).

Now I just need to get that UConnect active gridlines on/off option happening <Grrr>

Hope that this was of use to someone!
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Re: Rear safety camera

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So, are you asking me to roll back to 13.43.7 to see if I get the on/off option back?
No, but now you've mentioned it; it would be interesting eh! :rofl:
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No, but now you've mentioned it; it would be interesting eh! :rofl:
Not tonight. I already spent too long removing the tailgate panel and taking pictures of connectors. Then I forgot to plug the connector back in and had to take the <beep> panel off again. <Grrr>

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That's because your UConnect isn't receiving any instruction to tell it to display the lines! I've just posted what you need to do...

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Thanks MMM, starting to get a bit complicated and have a new strategy.

I've just received my letter from FCA offering to replace my rear view camera. I never actually got the old one, when I bought the car, it was on condition of the new camera being fitted which it was about a month in.

I am due for the 20k service next month, and when booking will let them know I have a "faulty" rear view camera. When they ask what my problem is, I tell them that although I have the grid line option selected on my Uconnect, no lines appear.

If they say it doesn't come with that option, I will show them the letter from FCA that clearly states:
"In response to these concerns, we're offering to replace the rear-view camera shown below (if fitted to your Laredo) with a camera which will provide upgraded image quality on-screen, and guidelines to guide reversing, at no cost to you"
Now my camera is not eligible for replacement (they have photos of the old and the new), however it does not come with guidelines and there appears to be an easy fix. Will print out MMM's fix and get them to do it. Therefore should be warrantied and I don't have to muck around.

Will see how that goes!
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Re: Rear safety camera

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I'm not criticising, but the 1st diagram posted by @67HR is wrong. If you look closely, you'll see that the steering column is on the LHS of the diagram.
Sorry about that MMM, I used my VIN in techauthority and it got it wrong, I wasn't wearing my glasses when I posted it, I see you have mirrored your image, thanks.

Happy to give it a go but will wait and install my rear Blackvue camera lead at the same time me thinks. Now that WA could adopt the driver at fault legislation relating to cyclists I'm going to be prepared. Unlike the cyclist in this clip:

At least he couldn't argue the vehicle just stopped.
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Thanks! So, reading through this, the essential parts are buried in a whole load of loom threading and messing around that we Aussies don't need to do! The instructions assume that we need to take the video signal from the camera to the UConnect, but our (Aussie) Laredo dealers have already done all that messy work for us. However, the loom that Aussie GC Laredo users get misses the essential wire that transmits the trigger signal to tell the UConnect to provide the moving gridlines!

Jeep, that's cheap! (And unsurprising).

So, 'all' we need to do is provide that signal. The trigger gets raised on pin 4 of connector D6685A (inside the tailgate on the newcam plug), and that needs to be sent to somewhere that LIN BUS CBC 3 is expecting it - this is circuit D403. (Note that I don't know if that signal gets raised on the crapcam - I never tested it, so YMMV with the following).

In the PDF instructions, connecting into the LIN BUS is achieved at Step 46 - where the BL (blue) wire is connected into pin 45 on connector D3806E in the engine bay.

But there's a quicker way.

@VANT4GE identified that the D403 circuit is also available at connector I5010 which is far more conveniently located next to the passenger's foot inside the cab (this is on the LHS in Australian GC's) - so no need to do all that messy tunneling into the engine bay through the firewall!

If you look up D403 on TechConnect (use Chrome!) you can see all the locations where that circuit goes meaning that you can tap into it anywhere it's available - the best place being at InlineBody/IP 2 Connector Pin 27. So, that's what I've done...

Proof is the picture I've attached.

FWIW, the following are red herrings as far as Aussie Laredo users are concerned:
  • Step 27 says to plug the 2 wires into pins 8 & 9 - this has essentially nothing to do with the camera since these wires provide power to the license plate lights.
  • Step 60 is all about providing the composite video signal (and shield) to the back of the UConnect: Pin 31 is Camera Signal, Pin 32 Camera Return & Pin 33 is Shield. Again, we (Aussie) Laredo owners don't need to do this, because the loom carrying the composite video signal from the camera to the UConnect input has already been fitted by the dealer at delivery - along with the crapcam.
Oh, and a tip for connecting the wires: Don't use those scotchlok or blade connectors - they work themselves loose or don't make a connection properly in the first place which is a PITA for diagnosing possible problems. Either solder the wires properly (irreversible) or do what I did and (this sounds stupid but is very effective) solder a paperclip arm onto the end of your connecting wire and put heat-shrink over it, then gently push this into the relevant connectors with the original pin. Once it's snug and firm, you can cable-tie the line to another part of the loom. This way, whatever you've done is reversible.

OK, that's about as much 'electrical engineering' I want to do for now...

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Okay MMM, for those of us not too electronically minded, which bit is the important bit. There is a lot of not this but this going on up there and I'm getting a tad confused.
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But there's a quicker way.

@VANT4GE identified that the D403 circuit is also available at connector I5010 which is far more conveniently located next to the passenger's foot inside the cab (this is on the LHS in Australian GC's) - so no need to do all that messy tunneling into the engine bay through the firewall!

If you look up D403 on TechConnect (use Chrome!) you can see all the locations where that circuit goes meaning that you can tap into it anywhere it's available - the best place being at InlineBody/IP 2 Connector Pin 27. So, that's what I've done...
Is this all I need to do?? Need some simple instructions for the technically challenged like myself. If so will take this to the dealer and say, look, easy peasy mate, just fix the f#@king thing!! Thanks.
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Need some simple instructions for the technically challenged like myself.
OooKay... delete all the detail / explanation I provided and what you're left with is pretty simple. But if you're not comfortable doing this type of thing, then don't do it!

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Will print out MMM's fix and get them to do it.
Good luck with that! I don't know a single dealer that will use a non-manufacturer issued 'fix' and apply it to a vehicle under warranty.

Nevertheless, I think the key to your argument is the letter that FCA sent out which says that FCA "will provide upgraded image quality on-screen, and guidelines to guide reversing, at no cost to you"

There are 2 possibilities here. Either:
  1. FCA have authorised a wiring loom upgrade as well as the camera upgrade; or
  2. There's a cheap 'cut this wire' option on the newcams that will give you fixed lines (there's nothing about dynamic lines in the letter).
My money's on #2!

@Bigskiddy - Is there a FCA reference on the top part of the letter that you've folded over (to protect your address/personal details)? I've not received one, so I don't know. I think you (and @barboots - and goodness knows how many others) are in the same boat as me: Cam got replaced, but no gridlines... (Until I fixed 'em ).

If I can get that reference, I may try finding out more at my service on Friday...
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Sorry about that MMM, I used my VIN in techauthority and it got it wrong, I wasn't wearing my glasses when I posted it, I see you have mirrored your image, thanks.
No dramas - frustrates the hell out of me when places like techauthority lead you in the wrong direction.

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No obvious reference.
"014" might be one?
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If you look closely at the side of the male part of the D6885A connector I'm holding, you will see a number "4" on the side next to the blue wire. The female part of the connector has no wire connected into the corresponding pin 4. In your 1st pic of the D6685A connector, pin 4 is the one with the blue wire coming out of it - same as mine! (Not sure why you have a cut un-shielded wire coming from the female connector - the vagaries of Jeep...).
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I do have a blue wire coming out from the female pin '4', however it then is joined up with a black wire from pin '9'.


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I tried running a jump wire from 4 to 27, I didn't bury it in the car but ran it outside to test and it didn't work
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Re: Rear safety camera

I have also received the camera replacement letter and wondering about the quality of this FCA version that we are getting. I have an average quality after-market camera fitted and am wondering if this one will be any better.

Can anyone advise if the quality is any good, especially at night time ?
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I have also received the camera replacement letter and wondering about the quality of this FCA version that we are getting. I have an average quality after-market camera fitted and am wondering if this one will be any better.

Can anyone advise if the quality is any good, especially at night time ?
It's better in that the number plate lights don't reflect on it.
Post a pic of your current setup.
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