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Re: The Towing thread

Just got back from 10 day trip to Fraser towing my camper trailer. Tow-pro seems to work ok. Sucked down the Diesel towing over the sand. Got about 20L/100. 11L/100 between Sydney and Brisbane.
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HR or Andersen, doesn't matter, just shows poor trailer design and improper weight distribution in design by the maker and loading by the owner. Like Hymer, who owns a euro van, I used to own a Geist and these vans are generally fitted with an anti sway hitch (Alko or Winterhoff) which perform both sway and pitch damping. The design and weight distribution of these vans does not require another 50 kgs of ironmongery to keep the trailer level. Admit they are black top vans only, but not many take their $70000+ vans into bingle territory. Bring on some intelligent design and weight reduction in the trailer industry in Australia. These types of equipment should not be needed for a smartly and cleverly designed trailer.

Just my two cents worth.

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Old 07-29-2015, 07:41 AM
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Are the above mentioned vans suitable for rough dirt roads?
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.................... Admit they are black top vans only, but not many take their $70000+ vans into bingle territory.

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That's a first, just quoted myself.

No they are not suitable for rough dirt roads without a care in the world as to their final condition but they have been taken to some strange places with a deal of care applied. Most commercially produced Oz vas are also in a similar category where the chassis is so far in excess of what the body will take its questionable the benefit of the huge chassis and consequential weight.

Happy to agree that there are vans that will need this gear, but the general user in Oz is not an off roader, is not towing an off road van, does not generally frequent rough dirt roads IMHO.

As I said, bring on some smart design in the trailer industry. Horses for courses is what should be the norm not the standard poorly designed brick out house.

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What is the available payload on these vans? Can they carry the huge amount of crap many vanners see as essential, or the supplies to cater for longer stays in out of the way places? Are they equipped to be off the grid for weeks or even months?

Not everyone's usage is the same, and travel in Australia can be very different from the conditions forming the design brief for Europe. Unfortunately as essential capabilities are added to a specification, weight goes up.

I agree that towing long and heavy vans is not ideal... but Euro vans are only a solution in a limited number of scenarios. There certainly wasn't one which suited us. An Australian version of the US style fifth wheeler appears to me as the best option for those who insist on travelling "with the lot". It's a pity there's not many nicely finished and well equipped utes for hauling them. The sea of cheap plastics makes me want to puke!

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Just got back from 10 day trip to Fraser towing my camper trailer. Tow-pro seems to work ok. Sucked down the Diesel towing over the sand. Got about 20L/100. 11L/100 between Sydney and Brisbane.
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Did you need to remove your lower front panel, or could of you left it on whilst on Fraser. I too get 11L/100 towing on the highway. Can't fault the towing of this vehicle.


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I dont think you could leave it on without damage, I made a replacement front bash plate and it is very dented. I also had to clean the sand off my radar a few times.
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What is the available payload on these vans? Can they carry the huge amount of crap many vanners see as essential, or the supplies to cater for longer stays in out of the way places? Are they equipped to be off the grid for weeks or even months?

Not everyone's usage is the same, and travel in Australia can be very different from the conditions forming the design brief for Europe. Unfortunately as essential capabilities are added to a specification, weight goes up.

I agree that towing long and heavy vans is not ideal... but Euro vans are only a solution in a limited number of scenarios. There certainly wasn't one which suited us. An Australian version of the US style fifth wheeler appears to me as the best option for those who insist on travelling "with the lot". It's a pity there's not many nicely finished and well equipped utes for hauling them. The sea of cheap plastics makes me want to puke!

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Steve.

We seem to getting into an argument here. Not what I intended.

All I am saying is that smarter design, no matter what weight, is better than applying outdated techniques to trailer design.

I would whole heartedly agree that euro vans as imported would not stand the rigours of an extended period of abuse in the outback. I would, however, suggest that they are more than capable of cared for dirt roads if treated correctly.

At the end of the day the design of a van for extended off road, outback, off grid trips will be far different to your run of he mill Jayco expanda used for the family holiday, but that is my point. Don't build the holiday van the same way as the dinky die outback bush basher, it is simply unnecessary and costly.

That coupled with smart design in how each variant is built would minimise the need for equalisation as the designs would/could be more well balanced and therefore not need such a device to cope with excessive nose weight.

I would also agree that many people haul far too much crap with them that is unlikely to get used on many occasions. There was much in my van that neve saw the light of day!!


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Re: The Towing thread

Sitting in Cairns at the moment after hauling the Windsor poptop the 3000kms from Sydney. Van tare is 1400kgs and after filling water tanks, throwing in bikes, Waeco, annex plus all the other unnecessary crap that you decided you can't do without but will never use it's probably 1800/1900kgs. Has towed brilliantly between 11L-12.5L depending on roads, conditions etc and doing 90-100kph most of the way. Amazed at the number of Jeep GCs on the road and in the parks. Seems to be an increasingly popular choice for a tow vehicle.
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Just got back from 10 day trip to Fraser towing my camper trailer. Tow-pro seems to work ok. Sucked down the Diesel towing over the sand. Got about 20L/100. 11L/100 between Sydney and Brisbane.
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I know this is a slight thread hi-jack, but thought better of starting a new thread for it.
I'll be heading up that way (Mooloolaba) over the Chrissy/New Year period and I'm planning to do a day trip up to Fraser Island. As we're driving from Melb I'm torn between which wheels and tyres to fit for the trip. I need new 20's and I'm most likely to replace them with something in the 275/45 range, but I have a set of Laredo 18's with Cooper AT3's in 265/60. Would my 20's be capable on Fraser in January (I expect the sand then to be rather soft due to high heat and not a lot of rain) or am I better off fitting the 18's?
I'd rather do the 3500k's on the blacktop on the 20's but the Island on the 18's, but I can't take the 2nd set with me ...haha.
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Re: The Towing thread

Sand or not... all my trips away I use my 18"s Matty. I've got a reasonably fresh set of 20"s, but have no inclination of using them... even though they are a bit quieter and use less fuel.

Are your Coopers LT's?

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