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Re: The Towing thread

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Hi Adrian. Late reply, (I don't know if I did earlier, sorry). Anyway, it looks like we've found our van. It has TWO Anderson plugs. One is for the van's DC electrics. A smaller red colored one with lighter gauge wiring to it may be for the Al-ko ESC unit. I don't know why that one has a separate power supply.

Interestingly, the smaller one has two conductors going into each pole. Not sure why that's done that way other than to perhaps double the current carrying capacity. But if so, why not just use heavier gauge wiring?

So, I have two questions here:

1. How did you run your main Anderson cabling (from the battery) through the car and more importantly, to the outside of the vehicle?

2. Can I make up an adapter which joins the two Andersons together so that they both get their power from the one plug coming out of the car?

I'm not going to switch it for now. It'll be on permanently. I'm thinking that any stops along the way would be brief enough for the van not to drag the battery down too much.

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Hi Martin.

In the end I ran a 6mm diameter cable to the rear of the car and then split it inside the rear panel.

Placed a voltage sensitive relay in the battery compartment that cuts in at 13.4 volts and out at 12.8. Essentially it's live all the time the engine is running.

The split is via two "project boxes" from Jaycar and a bolt to join all the leads together inside the boxes. Boxes are then taped and screwed to the bodywork inside the rear drivers side panel.

Getting the cable there is relatively easy. Remove the scuff panels inside the doors. rear door seal and the back portion of the front door seal. You can then move the centre pillar plastic. Feed the wire into the battery box here. There is a hole in the morass of wires etc.

Rear panels are also easy. Remove rear tail gate seal and bingo, off they pop. The spare wheel well required a few screws. Pop the plastic covers on the chrome luggage holder rings by the door, unscrew and remove rear trim. Undo the two 10mm nuts and the attached electrical wiring (don't forget to take out the spare!!). Fold the rear seats forward. Pop off the cover panel that follows the rear seats (covers the gap). Unscrew the two self tappers on the metal brackets to the floor and the whole wheel well should come out.

After that thread the cables, locate and secure. Replace all the plastic panels and hey presto.

Sounds easy and it actually is, but may be a bit daunting if you've never done anything like this before.

Any issues PM me.

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Old 05-05-2016, 10:12 AM
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THanks for that, Adrian. I'll see how it goes. I won't be doing anything til we actually sign off on the van, whichever one we get.
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Re: The Towing thread

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This van isn't an off-roader. So turning it on and off won't be an issue.

Which one? The ESC or the normal DC supply (Anderson plug) to the van?

The van has a 7 pin plug which looks like it's seen better days, despite being only 3 years old. I'll be getting a flat plug fitted. The Jeep has a flat 7 pinner. But I'll upgrade it to a 12 pin and have the equivalent fitted to the van and will run the ESC through it, rather than through a separate Anderson plug.

Run ESC through the 12 pin. Power supply to the van should be a heavier wire and more suited to the Anderson.
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Old 05-05-2016, 09:19 PM
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Re: The Towing thread

If helpful, the below is my van's connections.


PIN PURPOSE COLOUR
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1 Left Hand Turn Yellow
2 Reverse Black
3 Earth White
4 Right Hand Turn Green
5 Electric Brakes Blue
6 Stop Red
7 Tail, Clearance, Side Markers Brown
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8 Battery Supply (ESC +) Red
9 Auxillaries Pink
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Re: The Towing thread

For those not familiar with the 12 pin plug, I think they are great.

They accept the regular 7 pin plug into these plus you get an extra 5 poles rated at 35 Amps. Great for running fridges, etc without needing extra Anderson connectors.
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For those not familiar with the 12 pin plug, I think they are great.

They accept the regular 7 pin plug into these plus you get an extra 5 poles rated at 35 Amps. Great for running fridges, etc without needing extra Anderson connectors.
Much better than just a 7-pin flat. The puny plastic 7-pin flat is just not up to off-roading. However, since I have a 150A battery isolator, it's not for me. I really like the large metal 7-pin round. It's so rugged and much easier to connect in the dark with freezing rain blowing.
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If helpful, the below is my van's connections.


PIN PURPOSE COLOUR
Top
1 Left Hand Turn Yellow
2 Reverse Black
3 Earth White
4 Right Hand Turn Green
5 Electric Brakes Blue
6 Stop Red
7 Tail, Clearance, Side Markers Brown
Bottom
8 Battery Supply (ESC +) Red
9 Auxillaries Pink
10 Earth (TPMS -)(ESC -) Black
11 Rear Fog (Not used) Grey
12 TPMS + Black
A couple of questions. The van which we are getting has two anderson plugs. One has heavy wire which I presume is for the van's normal electrics (lights, battery charging, etc.) There is a second one, red in color which appears to be the same size as the other one. But it has two thinner wires going into each pole (4 in total). I believe that this is for the Al-Ko ESC.

I know that people say not to use the 12 pin plugs for supplying the van's electrics but going by everything that I've been reading it seems that this is what the 12 pin plug is designed to do.

So, going by the table above I can run the +ve of the anderson and the esc plugs into pin 8 (dunno if they'll physically fit - lot of cabling there) and run the -ve of each into Pin 10?

The auxilaries (pink/9), exactly what can this be used for?

I need to decide how I'm going to do this. I can either swap the van's round 7 pin for a flat 7 (that's what the Jeep has) and then run two andersons for the ESC and van power. Or run it all through a single 12 pin flat.

What do you guys reckon?
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Re: The Towing thread

If as I think you said earlier, the van is not yet delivered. I would recommend you ask them to fit a 12 pin flat plug. If you are not going offroad, i.e. you are staying a tar baby, run everything through the 12 pin. You haven't mentioned a rear cam. Are you getting one? How is that wired?
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Re: The Towing thread

Yes, it has one. I forgot about that. It too needs to be wired up. It has a standard yellow RCA video plug on the trailer side.

I just got back from browsing Autobarn. They have all the stuff there such as the Tekonsha P2 Prodigy controller, anderson plugs, cabling and so forth. Looking at the 6mm 50a cabling it looks like it will fit into the terminals on a 12 pin plug.

Also, they have a service agent who does all their electrical fitting. A brake controller, anderson plug with them supplying and fitting, will cost somewhere around $700. Jeep quoted me $600 just for the basic Redarc controller.
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Check out www.autoelec.com.au for electrical & towing fittings. I think you will find that the hardest thing to fit "neatly" is the brake controller. You need to think where you want it. Many have gone for the cubby in the console.

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I spoke to the autolec guy earlier today about fitting the unit in the cubby. He advised against it. Reason being that it has to be easily and quickly accessed in the event of an emergency.

I don't know if there are any standards or regulations which mandate the location but what he said made sense. If it's in the cubby and you have to pop the lid then feel inside for the controller then that might be a problem.

A mate had a Redarc unit fitted to his GC last week. All you see is a knob on the right lower dash, around where your knee would be, roughly.
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The cubby is fine, I flip the lid open when towing, I am 195cm, so up high and I can clearly and easily see the display and can easily reach to engage if required. It is not one bit harder than if it was out of the cubby. Where I had it in my other cars was more awkward as it was closer to my knee, which could sometime block it. But that was considered a normal position. The cubby is easy to see, not going to be blocked by anything, and unless you have baby length arms, easy to reach quickly.
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