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Old 09-16-2013, 04:05 PM
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Willx, there's no rule on % download in Oz.it's a generally accepted rule of thumb to use about 10% of the trailer mass.
The towing limit is set by either the manufacturer or the towbar maker.

I have WDH from my previous caravan, and will see whether I need them whe. i get my GC in a few weeks. My camper has about 170kg when loaded.
It is a guideline up here too. I just wanted to note the Europeans seem to use 8% a lot from what you can see of the towbar ratings.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:18 PM
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Re: The Towing thread

Chrysler Aust state in their documentation that a WDH should be used with all available suspension systems when towing an Aggregate Tow Mass over 2268kg.
On our Laredo CRD we have a 3500kg tow rating with 350kg allowed on the ball, but this download changes according to the load in the vehicle.
On checking with my insurance companies for our vehicle and van, both advised that in the event of any claim related to towing, they would expect me to have abided by the vehicle manufacturers recommendations.
Certainly for me, that puts use or not of a WDH out of the realm of personal choice.
Our van goes 2150kg loaded and I use a WDH, but then again I don't need to be convinced of their value.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:44 PM
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Chrysler Aust state in their documentation that a WDH should be used with all available suspension systems when towing an Aggregate Tow Mass over 2268kg.
On our Laredo CRD we have a 3500kg tow rating with 350kg allowed on the ball, but this download changes according to the load in the vehicle.
On checking with my insurance companies for our vehicle and van, both advised that in the event of any claim related to towing, they would expect me to have abided by the vehicle manufacturers recommendations.
Certainly for me, that puts use or not of a WDH out of the realm of personal choice.
Our van goes 2150kg loaded and I use a WDH, but then again I don't need to be convinced of their value.
John
I am not Australian and cannot offer REAL value to this conversation.... just more I understand the safety of it and that I would use WD and Sway under that normally.

John, I think you and I are on the same page though. Once you have felt the safety and control of Sway Control and WD it is hard to think of trying without.

Anyway, my main concern is that the Camping Place noted further on said that you don't need and should not use WD. That is the scary thing that an authority on towing published an article that says basically it is OK to tow 350KG on the tongue when that would compromise the control of the vehicle in many situations.
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Re: The Towing thread

I am in Melbourne & I am having trouble trying to get a P3 fitted to my MY14 GC. Three SE suburb dealers have it installed by the same auto elec on the passenger side under the glove box which is not ideal. ?? Some dealers say it cant be fitted at all. I have seen by your photos that some of you have had the P3 installed in the cubby. Is there anyone in Melbourne that can recommend an auto elec, SE suburbs preferably, who can fit it for me? Also is the cubby the best spot for it? I'm would like to tow my van mid next month so starting to panic I won't get it fitted in time
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:38 AM
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I am in Melbourne & I am having trouble trying to get a P3 fitted to my MY14 GC. Three SE suburb dealers have it installed by the same auto elec on the passenger side under the glove box which is not ideal. ?? Some dealers say it cant be fitted at all. I have seen by your photos that some of you have had the P3 installed in the cubby. Is there anyone in Melbourne that can recommend an auto elec, SE suburbs preferably, who can fit it for me? Also is the cubby the best spot for it? I'm would like to tow my van mid next month so starting to panic I won't get it fitted in time
A Sydney dealer is mounting them on the driver's side just left of the fuel release button. Personally I think your knee is gonna bang into it there.

I'm new to this towing stuff but could you you fix the controller in a temporary position using that 3M lego tape?
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:50 AM
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Re: The Towing thread

This country has got so lazy. I can't believe all these auto elecs wimping out on doing a decent job and installing to the "cubby hole". I'd expect an additional cost, but not an "I'm not going to do it" !

Try a few non-dealer auto elecs. The problem might be that many dealerships are contracted with multinational lamers like Motor-One for their aftermarket installs. They will have a fixed rate for the job, which applies to the installer also, and being too big they are probably not particularly interested in adapting their rate to what you want.

Always ask... who is doing that work for you?

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Old 09-17-2013, 05:28 AM
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I am in Melbourne & I am having trouble trying to get a P3 fitted to my MY14 GC. Three SE suburb dealers have it installed by the same auto elec on the passenger side under the glove box which is not ideal. ?? Some dealers say it cant be fitted at all. I have seen by your photos that some of you have had the P3 installed in the cubby. Is there anyone in Melbourne that can recommend an auto elec, SE suburbs preferably, who can fit it for me? Also is the cubby the best spot for it? I'm would like to tow my van mid next month so starting to panic I won't get it fitted in time
Hi Robbie, After having mine fitted in the cubby, I wouldn't suggest any other location. The P3 is almost a set and forget device and if I need to give it a boost, I always stop as the conditions dictate, make the change and move on. Why would you have it in a position that will annoy you every time you get in the vehicle. When my wife is travelling with me, she can make changes on the fly as well and then close the door. You just don't know it is there and it makes the instal professional in its appearance. Just my thoughts.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:38 AM
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Also is the cubby the best spot for it?
I must admit there aren't many good options. Good thing about the cubby is that the manual override is easy to reach. Not sure if this is required but I saw it used to control descents on a 4x4 show. Disadvantage of cubby is that it's difficult to see the display while driving... need to move my head down low (eyes should be on the road anyway?). I did notice another option would be on the right side by the right knee (to the right of airbag), however, the downside may be that it is harder to get the wiring as neat as in the cubby. Next problem is where to put the UHF... remote unit, plug and play, hand held.

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I am in Melbourne & I am having trouble trying to get a P3 fitted to my MY14 GC. Three SE suburb dealers have it installed by the same auto elec on the passenger side under the glove box which is not ideal. ?? Some dealers say it cant be fitted at all. I have seen by your photos that some of you have had the P3 installed in the cubby. Is there anyone in Melbourne that can recommend an auto elec, SE suburbs preferably, who can fit it for me? Also is the cubby the best spot for it? I'm would like to tow my van mid next month so starting to panic I won't get it fitted in time
RobbieD, had my p3 fitted in the cubby by a company called Tossa (the onestop shop Australia) did an excellent job with the fitment. Tossa are located in Pakenam. If you would like to talk to some one at tossa ask for Paul. Excellent service.:
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Re: The Towing thread

If you check over on the Carvaners forum in the long running Jeep Grand Cherokee thread
http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic...ed3&start=3760
you will see that a number of new 2014 owners are getting their P3's fitted in the cubby.
As previously noted, once it is set up you rarely need to mess with it again, and it is neat and out of sight with the door closed.
Trim removal instructions are here http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_interior_trim.htm
and if the brake switch actuation feed to the P3 comes from the trailer stop light wiring there won't be any issue with canbus conflict.
my remote head Uniden box fitted perfectly into an existing bracket under the passenger seat and the microphone sits on the passenger side of the transmission tunnel in a bracket 3m taped to the trim. Works fine.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:48 PM
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I am in Melbourne & I am having trouble trying to get a P3 fitted to my MY14 GC. Three SE suburb dealers have it installed by the same auto elec on the passenger side under the glove box which is not ideal. ?? Some dealers say it cant be fitted at all. I have seen by your photos that some of you have had the P3 installed in the cubby. Is there anyone in Melbourne that can recommend an auto elec, SE suburbs preferably, who can fit it for me? Also is the cubby the best spot for it? I'm would like to tow my van mid next month so starting to panic I won't get it fitted in time
I had problems finding a dealer to fit a P3, a couple of Western Melbourne dealers said no.

Melbourne City Jeep will fit in a P3 in the cubby for you, although I imagine G6JETs Tossas would cost considerably less.

Matty470 also named the guys who did his in Lilydale.

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I had mine fitted by my local auto elec in the centre cubby.
They've done a good job but I had to take in the instructions for the removal of the cubby from wk2jeeps.com as they'd never done one before.
Depending on how far in Melb you want to travel can be a sticking point though.
I have used Lilydale Auto Electrics
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Re: The Towing thread

Hello,
I have just had my tow bar and redarc brake controller fitted to my jeep GC 2014 and noticed when I press the manual override button on the brake controller only the left hand brake light comes on. When I use the brakes as per normal all brake lights work.
Is this normal or do I have a problem.
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