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Re: The Towing thread

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I've been quoted for the P3 to be fitted and an Anderson plug for $495 by an auto electrician. My dealer wanted $700 for just a Redarc. Whilst the aesthetics of the Redarc make this a viable option, it simply is not as good as the P3.
That equates to roughly $300 for labour (given that the P3 is available for $164 on line free postage, plus a bit for the Anderson plug and cable).
Probably not super cheap but depending on where you ask the autolectrician to fit the P3. If it is going in the cubby then that's pretty good.
I would say it is reasonable though if the guy turns out quality work, and uses 6B&S cable and an ignition switched relay for the Anderson plug.
Anyone looking to fit a controller or anything else may find it worth looking at the trim removal section on WK2 Jeeps site (as Matty mentioned in a previous post).
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Re: The Towing thread

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I have had 2 dealers tell me the elec brakes are different for the my14. No box? Just a button? Does that make sense? Way beyond my level of comprehension I am afraid.
1 quoted $550. The other said to get an auto elec to do it.
Buster, IMHO the information you are getting is rubbish. The 2014 is not different relating to fitment of a brake controller for towing.
It seems from your information they are trying to sell you a Redarc remote head brake controller. Likely the reason is the unit itself can be easily fitted out of sight with only a knob visible to control the braking effect delivered.
There are numbers of happy WK2 owners with this unit fitted and they are less than $200 available on line.
The main issue is that this controller is not proportional - it delivers power according to the knob dial position. Differing conditions do require the knob to be adjusted to suit.
A proportional controller will deliver power according to how hard the the brake pedal is pressed. Quality units like the Tekonsha are "set and forget".
Most people experienced in towing will go for a proportional controller every time - but the Redarc may suit your needs.
Do a bit of homework on the different types of controllers available - that way you won't be stuck with an antiquated piece of gear just because the dealer thought that is what you wanted.
The picture in Matty470's post shows a Tekonsha P3 - one of the best available.
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Re: The Towing thread

I'm not sure if this is a towing thread issue, but it is sort of related. I have been doing a bit of research about running accessories - such as 12V fridges - off the vehicle battery, as you might do through a 12V connection to a towed van or camper trailer. It seems that the charging systems in many modern cars - including the JGC - carefully regulate the charging voltage and current based on the current draw from the battery. The current draw is measured by the system through either the earth connection or the +ve line from the battery. The implication is that if the supply for an accessory is drawn upstream of the sensor for the current draw (in an extreme case this might be the battery +ve terminal), then the charging system will be unaware of it, and incorrectly calculate the charge current required, resulting in a damaged or flat battery (especially significant for the AGM batteries in the JGC).
The solution to this would seem to be an "approved" access point for a 12V supply, to ensure that the charging system is aware of the additional current draw. Although some recommend DC-DC converters to effectively isolate the accessories from the charging system.
Does anyone have any more insight to this with respect to the JGC, and whether it would be safe to entrust an auto electrician to connect an accessory safely? Or indeed the dealer!
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Re: The Towing thread

Ditto on what John47 has advised.
BUSTER01, I don't know what that dealer was smoking, but it may have been a owners manual, which he preferred to burn rather than read.
Firstly, there are no electric brakes on a Grand Cherokee. The electric brakes are on a caravan. In order to activate them, you require a Electric Brake Controller to be fitted to the Jeep. This will allow you to adjust the pressure your car's braking system sends to the trailer brakes.
The best place I have found to buy these controllers is an ebay seller autoelecau items - Get great deals on 4wd Related, Dual Battery Systems items on eBay Stores!
They sell several brands of controller including the Redarc. The Redarc is tiny in comparison, but, does not use the same system as the Tekonsha P3. I think most caravaners these days select the Tekonsha.
The ebay seller which I mentioned, sells controllers with an installation kit, which includes the wiring. It is excellent value. I recommend you do most of the work yourself, and if unsure, get a sparky to make the connections. That way, you should get out for less than $300.
I will be doing an install in my MY12 in the next few weeks, and will attempt to do a complete writeup with photos.
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I am trying to find out:
  1. Is a hitch different to a tow bar, and what does that mean in this context?
  2. Does the Trailer Tow Group include a hitch, towbar, or both?
  3. Does the 2014 Overland with ORAII include a Trailer Tow Group?

1: Terminology wise yes, and it can be confusing when people say tow bar when what they really mean is Hitch receiver.

A towbar is all in one bar attached to your vehicle with the tow ball mount as part of it.


What we all want on out Jeeps are Hitch Receivers. This is the bar bolted to the vehicle with 50mm x 50mm square receiving hole into with you insert a removable towball mount


For the most part if you say tow bar, we will know what you mean, but I will be the anal bastard that winces every time. Goes back to dealing with customers that constantly got them mixed up and could end up with wrong product.

Hitch receivers always have a higher weight rating to towball towbars.

2: None of these, it includes Full Size Spare Tire, Heavy Duty Engine Cooling, Rear Load Leveling Suspension. This is all standard on Aus spec cars but part of the trailer Tow Group for US cars. This group also includes for them the hitch receiver and wiring harness

3: as point 2, all Aus cars include the Tow Group, none of them include a hitch receiver though. This is an optional extra of approx $1100 - $1200 fitted including wiring.
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Re: The Towing thread

Thanks guys. My error not the dealer's. I should have referred to the controller. We bought the car off the dealer who said to get an auto elec to fit it. Now I just need to find a good one ( it took a long time for the prado to recover from what 1 elec did to it!). Definitely want the set and forget model. The caravan dealership has someone they use. When the time gets closer I will quiz them. Great info, much appreciated!
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After looking at the location of the media options in the Overland, I can't see the P3 fitting in the cubby location. I'm looking for an alternative to get around the air bags as well. If someone out there is fitting the P3 in their MY14, please let me know your solution.
All MY14 GCs have the same Media options in the cubby, it is not just an issue for the Overland.
I know I have seen somewhere in Jeep Garage a picture of a Tekonsha fitted in a MY14 cubby with no issue accessing the media options.

I thought I had it bookmarked but can't find it, it was not in the Export area of the forum, it was two US guys that had done it.
I will keep searching.

This link takes you to two set ups by Bob T & No1Spcl.
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Edit, I found it and I was wrong, not a MY14.
I still think it will fit, next time I go into a dealership I will take our brake controller and stick in to see if it fits.
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First post here and soon to have my first Jeep. I have ordered a MY2014 Laredo. Can a rear view camera fitted to a caravan be set up to display in the Jeep display screen?
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Re: The Towing thread

I read it somewhere ( possibly this thread because I remember thinking I could use that information later). Instructions on how to do it were provided, but it was for an MY 12. I am going to screen shot information in future!
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Clearly the wrong side for you guys, but not sure if this might be helpful at least to find the connector.

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First post here and soon to have my first Jeep. I have ordered a MY2014 Laredo. Can a rear view camera fitted to a caravan be set up to display in the Jeep display screen?
I can't answer for the MY14 (and I doubt anyone will be able to yet, too new) but the MY11, 12 and 13 can be done using one of these
NAV-TV Corporation: ALLGIG_XG-HS Video in Motion bypass for Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep vehicles

They may already have something for the 14

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First post here and soon to have my first Jeep. I have ordered a MY2014 Laredo. Can a rear view camera fitted to a caravan be set up to display in the Jeep display screen?
Yes.
You can if you install a LOCKPIC. Google it.
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