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Old 11-26-2013, 10:15 AM
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Re: The Towing thread

Thanks Elvin. I haven't fitted the Mopar towbar I bought yet, and I definitely won't be if it is manufactured or fits as you describe! I'll make sure that I have a fall back option prior to ripping the bumper off to start the job, that's for sure.

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I got some Milenco Aero 2 towing mirrors for the GC. They fit securely and appear to be a well made product. Did a run down the Hume Hwy and there was minimal shake. They didn't get affected by trucks coming opposite direction at 80kph. The tear drop design helps.
I tried to post pictures but JG keeps crashing. Feel free to PM me if you want more info.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:45 PM
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I got some Milenco Aero 2 towing mirrors for the GC. They fit securely and appear to be a well made product. Did a run down the Hume Hwy and there was minimal shake. They didn't get affected by trucks coming opposite direction at 80kph. The tear drop design helps. I tried to post pictures but JG keeps crashing. Feel free to PM me if you want more info.
Pic worked, could you post a pic of the mirror side, so we can see where they mount under the mirror, I have been looking at these, but no one local sells them so I will have to buy off the net, good to see they do fit the GC mirror body.
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Re: The Towing thread

Thanks for the very useful information

just purchased a "mopar" hitch kit from dealer for $420 to suit a 2012 model WK2 SRT8

now looking to see how to fit it up

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For those recently purchased a Grand Cherokee, or about to purchase one, there are differences between the US towpack and that supplied to Australian export cars.
Towbar : The towbar used in the US does not comply to our standards, and therefore is not installed at the factory. Australia uses a bar manufactured in New Zealand by BEST BARS, and sold though the Mopar.AU site. Most dealers use this bar and hitch. Hayman Reece also do a suitable bar, but that bar is not 100% compatible, so the rear recovery hitch needs to be removed. Also just be aware that if you go the Hayman Reese towbar option you will NOT be able to fit the Long Range Automotive aux fuel tank. It was designed around the Mopar one only
Wiring: The towpack issues in the US includes the loom for brake controllers. For some reason, the Australian cars do not have this loom installed. You therefore need to wire a brake controller to power and the rear of the car. When dealers install a towbar, they leave a blue wire sitting up behind the rear passenger side panel (behind where the torch is stored).
Many owners recommend a 6mm wiring for controllers, and 6b&S wiring fort Anderson Plugs.
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These are the only shots I got on me at the moment, but can take more later.
I got mine from Barnes Caravans at Lansvale (Sydney NSW). Come the weekend I'll get a shot showing what you can see with an 18ft van on the back. The mirror is convex so it shrinks it down a bit but it's good enough to see whats behind before lane changes and pulling out.

They insert about 30 mm into car mirror housing and have a strong rubber clamp pad that comes underneath. The thumb clamps on the front are for extending the bar. Once you've set them up no need to re-adjust after taking them off and on.
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Re: The Towing thread

Hi welcome to the Xmas rush on getting ready for the holidays.
I have purchased an Aus Tow bar kit Mopar from local dealer.

has anyone out there fitted one to a Australian 2012- SRT8

three dealers are giving conflicting installation quotes.
does bumper need to come off.
is there a special wiring loom required for standard caravan type plug

any tips or photos much appreciated

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Hi welcome to the Xmas rush on getting ready for the holidays.
I have purchased an Aus Tow bar kit Mopar from local dealer.

has anyone out there fitted one to a Australian 2012- SRT8

three dealers are giving conflicting installation quotes.
does bumper need to come off.
is there a special wiring loom required for standard caravan type plug

any tips or photos much appreciated

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Hi Red Head,

Did your bar not come with an installation guide? I can scan it through for you if not. There have been a few write-ups on installing to similar vehicles. From these, the instructions and my observations there is no way to avoid removal of the back bumper. I'd love to be wrong though!

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Hi Barboots

just picked up the bar last night. not yet looked in package.

will get back to you

my local dealer wanted $900 for bar and 6 hours to fit.
brought the bar kit off E-bay same day same dealer, parts picked and packed into my car when I picked it up after service.

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These are the only shots I got on me at the moment, but can take more later. I got mine from Barnes Caravans at Lansvale (Sydney NSW). Come the weekend I'll get a shot showing what you can see with an 18ft van on the back. The mirror is convex so it shrinks it down a bit but it's good enough to see whats behind before lane changes and pulling out. They insert about 30 mm into car mirror housing and have a strong rubber clamp pad that comes underneath. The thumb clamps on the front are for extending the bar. Once you've set them up no need to re-adjust after taking them off and on.
Thanks for those, looks good, I think I'll get a set next year when our camping season starts again.
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Hi Barboots

just picked up the bar last night. not yet looked in package.

will get back to you

my local dealer wanted $900 for bar and 6 hours to fit.
brought the bar kit off E-bay same day same dealer, parts picked and packed into my car when I picked it up after service.

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Rip off
Dealer incompetent
Would not take 6 hours
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Rip off
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Would not take 6 hours
It would if they are using work experience kids, as I suspect who do the servicing.
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I will try and answer this in under 1000 words.

I had to wait for my towbar like many others mainly because the wiring harness was,nt available but that is another story of deceit on its own.

I had the Mopar towbar installed and when i arrived home i climbed under the Jeep and as is my nature looked at the towbar.
I grabbed a ringspanner and checked the bolt tensions .
The correct tensions on these bolts are 165 nm. Mine were so loose they wouldn,t register on my tension wrench.On the Jeep diagram there are eight bolts that are threaded into the chassis.Mine had different bolts installed and had nuts on the inside of the chassis which just turned when you tried to tension them.To tighten the bolts one has to remove rear bumper.Not a nice job.
The other problem is the width of the towbar is less than the crossmember that is removed to fit the towbar.This means that if suitable shims are not in place overtensioning of the towbar will result in a cracked chassis.So i was told and i believe that as well.Hence loose towbar bolts.Check yours i and see if i,m wrong.
Maybe owning transport business ,9 years running repair shops and 30 years boatbuilding has made me a fussy bugger but the next part i couldn,t handle.
If you look at the mopar receiver you will find it to be off centre angled to the right.
While this not only looks ugly there is also a problem with that.
If you were to get a straight edge and put it in the receiver tightly holding it to one side you will find that the 5mm at the hitch (where it angles to the right) becomes quite considerable after a few metres and a lot by the time i get to my rear trailer wheels some 5 mtrs away.
This would have the effect when the wdh is conected of the trailer wanting to be to the right and the WDH trying to straighten the trailer with its tension thus creating wear and tear.
This just isn,t my own observations and common sense but Hayman Reeses as well as i had a long discussion with them with my concerns.
I took the Jeep back to get the towbar swapped over for one that wasn,t faulty and received a phone call saying that the other tow bars in stock were worse than mine so i demanded and got a Parkside towbar that is simular or same as Hayman Reese.
The other advantage with the new towbar is the WDH fits all the way into the receiver thus less overhang and less sway of course.
With the Mopar towbar the receiver is very short and i was told in no uncertain terms that the shank of the WDH is engineered to go the full 304mm
into the receiver and that shortening it would void all warranties.
The reason i think the Mopar receiver is angled to one side is in the welding process where the robot would maybe weld one side first with the heat pulling it to one side in the process.
I could add as much again in my adventures with the towbar but i hate typing.

Elvin
That's very disappointing! The quality must have really dropped off. Best Bars in NZ were making the Mopar bars for the Australian market and they were certainly high quality. Perhaps they have changed suppliers. I put the Mopar bar in myself. It was a piece of cake. The tinny bumper bar slid out of the Jeep's tubular structural members and the tow bar just slid in its place. It all fitted perfectly. I didn't have a torque wrench at the time but with some Loctite and a couple of large spanners that bar ainít never coming off. The only issue I had was that the drawing suggested the fish-plates be put on the outside of the tow bar flanges. That didn't make any sense at all so I put them on the inside effectively sandwiching the Jeep's structural member between the flange and the fish-plate.
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