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Old 01-26-2014, 05:12 PM
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Re: The Towing thread

Another happy new Jeep owner - white Laredo.
Had it a week now. First 840km showed 8.4 l/100. Refilled then on a trip Canberra to Sydney got 7.0 l/100 (if we could keep that up a range of 1340 km!)

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  • smooth engine, effortless power
  • slick gearbox - even downshifts for engine braking if you are braking
  • great job by the NVH team - very quite and a good ride but not so soft you cant feel the road
  • brilliant fuel economy for a 2 ton vehicle.
Dislike -

  • the gearshift - fiddly to get reverse - hard to see what mode it is in in bright sunlight. Bring back the previous gearshift!!
Could be better -

  • Steering buttons too sensitive - often clip the 'start call' button when turning on full lock
  • cruise control too easy to disengage (brush the center button when trying to + or - and it drops out)
  • not enough legroom on the left (probably stuck with that due to the huge centre tunnel).
Problems so far:
  • at about 800km, after about 400km of driving, the cruise control just stopped working. I hadn't touched any buttons - just a sudden loss of power until I sussed what it was and used my right foot. Tried to re-engage it - no joy. About 10 minutes later stopped for 1 hour - when I got back in worked fine. Another software glitch??
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:20 PM
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Re: The Towing thread

HOW TO SETUP WDH?

Jeep specify we should have a WDH (weight distribution hitch) if towing 2.5 ton. We got one but are struggling to set it up. Got car and van fairly level (back of the car a bit low), then went for a drive and the car was level but now the van was high.

I'm guessing this is the 'self levelling suspension' at work. How do you 'activate' this? I want to hook up the van, get the jeep to do its levelling bit, then set the WDH. Any recommendations?

Help appreciated because it feels decidedly unsafe at the moment.

BTW we need to change our tow hitch - currently have an off road one but it fouls the WDH
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Re: The Towing thread

I posted this in the Caravaners forum in response to your same post there…..

"Hi Phil,
It's not a major process, but you have to stop the QL from doing it's own thing, before and after setup.
Your Jeep will always level itself, that is part of the QL system. This levelling doesn't transfer weight, hence the Jeep recommendation that a WDH be used when towing over 2268kg.
You'll need to have your hitch sorted to the one you intend to use before you start.

The process that has worked for me is:
Start with vehicle and van (loaded for travel), disconnected, on a hard level surface. This is important because the QL will "cosmetically adjust" (Jeep language for looking pretty while sitting still!), shortly after you shut the engine down. Be aware that the Jeep may move when it does this!

Disable the QL (up to 2013 this was by pressing the up/down buttons together, on the 2014 I believe it is done through the EVIC) - refer to your manual. There'll be a message come up that the QL system is off. (any time you jack the vehicle you should do this anyway).

Then follow your WDH setup instructions. If you have access to weigh bridge or scales, weight distribution can be done fairly accurately. otherwise I just used wheel arch measurements.

You should finish with your Jeep pretty level. If you don't the QL will do it for you and negate all your WDH setup as you have found out already.
You'll know by comparing your "before" and "after" measurements, whether the Jeep has significantly sagged with the van and WDH attached.

Start the Jeep, let it idle - the QL will be reset and may rise back up to around your original "before" measurement.
If this happens and your van is out of level you'll need to adjust your hitch head down by the rise amount, and start the process over again.

Maybe it will take a bit of fiddling but it'll come right. Unless you change loadings somewhere you won't have to do it again, providing you use the same settings on the WDH.
Be aware that that the QL is an active system and despite the best plans there may be unexpected movement - watch fingers. Shouldn't happen when disabled but………….

Our combination has done over 30,000k towing and we are more than happy with the way the Jeep goes about the job. We use a Treg off road hitch with a black poly block and it has worked great for us.
good luck
John"
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:54 PM
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HOW TO SETUP WDH?
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I'm guessing this is the 'self levelling suspension' at work. How do you 'activate' this? I want to hook up the van, get the jeep to do its levelling bit, then set the WDH. Any recommendations?
You don't say what type of suspension you have, standard steel or QL?
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Re: The Towing thread

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+1 for the towing course.
I find the fact that anyone with a driver's licence can hook up a trailer and "have a go" a bit disturbing. Whilst many drivers received "training" as a kid like I did, I really don't really expect that means I learnt absolutely everything. Nor do I feel that I'm automatically entitled to tow just because I reckon I'm up to the task. If licensing came in, I'd toddle off thinking "fair enough". Anything to raise the bar overall is a good initiative.

So kudos for making sure that you have the skills mate.

I remember when I was a kid at the boat ramp and it had blown up pretty bad on the bay. I was waiting to reverse the trailer down and the guy before me had tried a dozen times to reverse in to recover his boat. Funnily enough no one offered up help, so I wandered down and meekly asked if I could assist. The driver basically ignored me. After he had another few goes, he maybe realised I was in charge of our car or possibly that no other offerings were forthcoming and waved me back. As I approached he opened the door and got out. I reversed the old Val and trailer in without much comment... maybe the jibes from the crowd were distracting. A little while later we were strapping down the back of our boat, the guy came up and praised my Dad for teaching me. After the guy left I asked my Dad... "so what will he do when he gets home" (and has to park it)???

I notice many people believe cars with trailers only go forwards

So what do others think of licensing? Would you kick and scream if you were told that you now need endorsement to tow? What about free trailer rego or something as incentive? Would you expect to receive "grandfather rights"... and if so, on what basis?

As for the private sector doing this, I'm not sure. Our boat licensing course here in WA was a bit of a joke really.

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Re: The Towing thread

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I find the fact that anyone with a driver's licence can hook up a trailer and "have a go" a bit disturbing. Whilst many drivers received "training" as a kid like I did, I really don't really expect that means I learnt absolutely everything. Nor do I feel that I'm automatically entitled to tow just because I reckon I'm up to the task. If licensing came in, I'd toddle off thinking "fair enough". Anything to raise the bar overall is a good initiative.

So kudos for making sure that you have the skills mate.

I remember when I was a kid at the boat ramp and it had blown up pretty bad on the bay. I was waiting to reverse the trailer down and the guy before me had tried a dozen times to reverse in to recover his boat. Funnily enough no one offered up help, so I wandered down and meekly asked if I could assist. The driver basically ignored me. After he had another few goes, he maybe realised I was in charge of our car or possibly that no other offerings were forthcoming and waved me back. As I approached he opened the door and got out. I reversed the old Val and trailer in without much comment... maybe the jibes from the crowd were distracting. A little while later we were strapping down the back of our boat, the guy came up and praised my Dad for teaching me. After the guy left I asked my Dad... "so what will he do when he gets home" (and has to park it)???

I notice many people believe cars with trailers only go forwards

So what do others think of licensing? Would you kick and scream if you were told that you now need endorsement to tow? What about free trailer rego or something as incentive? Would you expect to receive "grandfather rights"... and if so, on what basis?

As for the private sector doing this, I'm not sure. Our boat licensing course here in WA was a bit of a joke really.

Ciao,
Steve
Don't know about licensing, sounds like another way for the Gov. to get more money. How many people have a car, boat, truck licence that couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's rear end. My old man told me that saying, just thought I would share
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Re: The Towing thread

I'd have thought that the average dog would make that task rather difficult?

Your point is valid though. Maybe just put the licences at the bottom of Weeties boxes as per adult driver's licensing methodology.

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Re: The Towing thread

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You don't say what type of suspension you have, standard steel or QL?
Good point Snuke - I missed out a key piece of info.
It's a standard steel suspension, not QL.

So John47 - thanks for your reply but I don't have QL. However I read that all JGC have self levelling suspension. How does it work on steel suspension setups? (Or maybe it's a bit of marketing exaggeration and does not self level.)

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Re: The Towing thread

Would someone mind posting a picture of the Genuine Jeep Towbar please and/or advising of any markings, just want to make sure that when I get the car next week I am getting what I am paying for, dont want to find out after the fact that I cannot put a LRA tank in.

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Good point Snuke - I missed out a key piece of info.
It's a standard steel suspension, not QL.

So John47 - thanks for your reply but I don't have QL. However I read that all JGC have self levelling suspension. How does it work on steel suspension setups? (Or maybe it's a bit of marketing exaggeration and does not self level.)

Cheers
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The steel suspensions use Nivomat type shocks that pump themselves up to a predetermined height with the motion of the car, see . I guess it means that to check the level of the trailer one needs to drive a bit after each adjustment.
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