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Old 03-01-2014, 08:07 PM
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I used two between my boat and my Prado, due to the size of the boat chain not fitting over the 4.5T bow shackles I left on the back of the car. I wouldn't consider it a risk, although pins can back out and it's nice to keep the pin inserted vertically, from the top. They never back out upwards!

I'm with what you suggest, but with some Loctite on the "fixed" shackle.

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I would tolerate some fiddling around with shackles in exchange for the concealed receiver

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Looking at getting a HR tow bar fitted with P3 controller once my Jeep arrives.
Little worried the installer might not have experience with the new Jeep so looking for feedback from users on which businesses you might recommend to complete the work please.
If they are in the Hornsby area then great but can travel.

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Re: The Towing thread

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Maybe run two D-shackles, one that is there permanently and only have to fiddle with once to fit, and then another that will provide easier use. Or is using two d-shackles a bad thing?
I was thinking that too Snuke, or maybe see if i can fit some gal or stainless eyebolts (with locknuts) and hook the shackles through them. I'll need to research their shear rating. I've got a bit of room to play with as long as I can get the cover panel back on.
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Re: The Towing thread

The direct question of whether it is legal to fit 2 D shackles to a safety chain attachment is asked regularly over on the Caravaners Forum.
Member Ozjohn posted this some time back:
"It's been covered countless times.
Some States will allow the practice, some won't and a couple don't have a clue.
OH&S regulations in the construction, engineering industries however do not allow the practice."
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"Replies from various State regulators on this issue:
QLD TMR & VICROADS only quote VSB1.
NSW - 1 shackle only.
TAS - 1 shackle only.
ACT - 1 shackle only.
WA - More than 1 can be used but must be suitably rated to support 1.5 time the trailers ATM (Same as chain)
NT - More than 1 can be used but must be suitably rated to support 1.5 time the trailers ATM (Same as chain)
SA - More than one can be used but must be permantly marked with a rating at least 1.5 tomes the trailers ATM (Same as chain).

Cheers, Ozjohn."

ADR's also require that the shackle be rated and stamped.
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Old 03-02-2014, 12:54 AM
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You must have skinny fingers to get a shackle past that barstool cap Bob.
The designers have made the bumper cutout very neat on these things but not so good for practical.
I use a Treg with ours as well……but the yoke is bolted and welded to the top of a Hayman Reese Weight distribution head.
A new hole was drilled in the shank to move the head in towards the bumper, pretty much the same distance as the Mopar one achieves.
Tell me about it! The other side is worse with the 7-pins flat plug right next to it. Actually it's quite easy if the shackle bolt is screwed in from underneath but that just doesn't seem right to me.

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Maybe run two D-shackles, one that is there permanently and only have to fiddle with once to fit, and then another that will provide easier use. Or is using two d-shackles a bad thing?
Not a bad idea . I can't see that two shackles would be an issue provided both are rated and the fixed one has the pin tied (moused). The only reasonable document regarding shackles, that I can find is the Queensland Safe Towing Guide, see attached. It states among other things,
"the break load limit of the shackle is rated at least 1.5 times greater than the ATM of
the trailer.
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"Generally, the break load limit of a rated shackle will be six times greater than its
work load limit.
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but nothing about using or not using two shackles so I might give it a try. My trailer's ATM is 1600kg so the BLL needs to be 2400kg which would give a WLL of 400kg. That seems reasonable. Since there are two chains, I could halve it but it would be all too difficult to explain to the boys in blue.
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Just saw this if anyone in Perth Southern metro is looking for a bargain tow bar.

Jeep tow bar,
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/baldi...bar/1040246708
Price: $ 150.00

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Not sure if right place but is part of my intended usage-
Firstly have a van on order, due July BUT racking my brains how to fit an exytopper 50kg boat to jeep.Any suggestions appreciated-I am currently looking to bolt a frame ???? to the HR hitch receiver so that weight could be taken on the additional frame as to lessen load on original racks
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Re: The Towing thread

Hi all I am looking at getting a tow bar installed on my my14 limited and I am wondering whether I should be going with the factory option or a hayman Reese or something else. Any suggestions. Thanks
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Hi all I am looking at getting a tow bar installed on my my14 limited and I am wondering whether I should be going with the factory option or a hayman Reese or something else. Any suggestions. Thanks
Hi Aussie I got my tow bar installed from the dealer along with a P3 controller I have no complaints
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Hi all I am looking at getting a tow bar installed on my my14 limited and I am wondering whether I should be going with the factory option or a hayman Reese or something else. Any suggestions. Thanks
You only have the Mopar or HR tow bar options.
Both are well built pieces of gear, rated the same, and there haven't been reports of any issues with either.
The Mopar bar allows for the rear recovery hook to be refitted, the HR bar doesn't.
Price both options and go accordingly.
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Mopar bar allows for what I believe to be the only available long range tank to be fitted.

Other than that just check any Hayman Reece adaptors you may have fit the Mopar bar... they might require the edges ground, which you may not be happy with.

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