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Old 07-18-2013, 06:54 AM
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Re: The Towing thread

It varies from model to model, you are getting an Overland CRD so:

1: 2,327kg
2: 2,949kg
3: 6,449kg (I think that is correct GVM plus Max tow of 3,500kg)
4: I like pancakes
6: What happened to answering 5, well that is a difficult one with no definitive answer yet for MY14. Alex at Suttons has ordered some for a customer and will take pics when they attempt to fit them. Same customer has an auto electrician assessing removing the CD player. Next time you talk to him ask him about it.
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I will chime in on the pancakes.

Not using high gears while towing is old school now. The transmission selects gearing based on load so don't need to worry about it. I have towed max NA weights with the HP70 and it avoids 8th except in down grades and likes to be in 6th and 7th.

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Re: The Towing thread

That is exactly what I thought.
I know I like pancakes, but I only thought I knew about the transmission issue.
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mmmmm Pancakes.... Gotta go bye,
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Re: The Towing thread

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It varies from model to model, you are getting an Overland CRD so:

1: 2,327kg
2: 2,949kg
3: 6,449kg (I think that is correct GVM plus Max tow of 3,500kg)
4: I like pancakes
6: What happened to answering 5, well that is a difficult one with no definitive answer yet for MY14. Alex at Suttons has ordered some for a customer and will take pics when they attempt to fit them. Same customer has an auto electrician assessing removing the CD player. Next time you talk to him ask him about it.
Or maybe I will when I finally email him my signed contract tomorrow.

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Thanks Snuke I will give Alex a call that was the white overland they had down stairs. Den5516
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Hi all a couple of questions for a my 14 CRD JGC.

1) what is the tare weight ?

2) What is the Gross Vehicle Mass ?

3) what is the Gross Combined Mass ?

4) I belive the top 2 gears are overdrive so when towing, what gear do you tow in. sports mode and 6th gear ?

5) do the recovery hooks fit on this model ?

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Question 5

Was at Albion Jeep the other day and in the back of the service area was a new MY14 and yes 2 nicely newly fitted recovery points as per the Yanks photos,
It was being prepared for delivery

So yes it appears they can be fitted
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Old 07-18-2013, 04:44 PM
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Re: The Towing thread

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Question 5

Was at Albion Jeep the other day and in the back of the service area was a new MY14 and yes 2 nicely newly fitted recovery points as per the Yanks photos,
It was being prepared for delivery

So yes it appears they can be fitted
That's interesting. Albion Jeep told me they couldn't fit the recovery points because it was illegal.
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Re: The Towing thread

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It varies from model to model, you are getting an Overland CRD so:

1: 2,327kg[/url]
It is not quite that simple.

The Buyer's Guide distributed on this forum shows the Tare Mass for the CRD Overland as 2327kg.

The Jeep Australia web site shows the Kerb Weight as 2327kg but does not define what Kerb Weight is.

The US owners manual defines

"Curb Weight
The curb weight of a vehicle is defined as the total weight of the vehicle with all fluids, including vehicle fuel, at full capacity conditions, and with no occupants or cargo loaded into the vehicle. The front and rear curb weight values are determined by weighing your vehicle on a commercial scale before any occupants or cargo are added."

Can anyone with an Australian vehicle confirm what the owner's manual says.

The point I am trying to make is it is not clear if the tare/kerb weight includes a full fuel tank. With a 93 litre fuel tank, that could be around 80kg difference.

With a heavy van (350kg tow ball force), a few accessories (tow bar, bull bar, ORAII etc), some luggage and passengers, that 80 kg could be the difference between complying with the GVM or not.

This is an issue with my current vehicle where the kerb weight didn't include fuel. With a full fuel tank (150 l or around 130kg), 250kg ball weight, steel bull bar and a few other items, there is barely enough capacity to include any passengers other than the driver. I didn't realise how close it was until I weighed the vehicle with the van.

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Re: The Towing thread

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Hi all a couple of questions for a my 14 CRD JGC.

1) what is the tare weight ?

2) What is the Gross Vehicle Mass ?

3) what is the Gross Combined Mass ?

4) I belive the top 2 gears are overdrive so when towing, what gear do you tow in. sports mode and 6th gear ?

5) do the recovery hooks fit on this model ?

Thanks Denis
I have not seen any reference to GCM by Jeep Australia so I presume it is just the GVM + max towing load ie 6449kg.

Jeep Australia also quite front and rear gross axle load limits as front 1452kg and rear 1678kg but don't give the individual tare/kerb weights so it is difficult to assess without weighing your vehicle.

Jeep Australia also recommend a WDH for ATMs above 2268kg. The US owner's manual makes a WDH mandatory for ATMs above 1587kg.

Regarding the automatic, the US owner's manual says:

"Automatic Transmission
The DRIVE range can be selected when towing. The transmission controls include an adaptive drive strategy to avoid frequent shifting when towing. However, if frequent shifting does occur while in DRIVE, you can use the AutoStick® shift control to manually select a lower gear.
NOTE: Using a lower gear while operating the vehicle under heavy loading conditions, will improve perfor- mance and extend transmission life by reducing exces- sive shifting and heat buildup. This action will also provide better engine braking."

Perhaps someone with an Australian vehicle can confirm what the manual says.

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Perhaps you should ask the question in the Caravaners Forum, where there is a Grand Cherokee thread. Caravaners Forum • View topic - new grand jeep cherokee v6 diesel??????
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I don't believe that manual is correct. autostick is an old term for the intrepid and forwards. As this is the German manufactured ZF-HP70 transmission I don't think that is a concern any more. I towed with this tranny and the HEMI and it was always exactly in the gear it needed to be in. I used to override my Mercedes 7-tronic in the hills but this new 8 speed is such a towing masterpiece. The best part was if you needed throttle quickly it can go directly from 8th to 3rd without selecting another gear (not applicable to trailering unless you like your dishes powdered) but I had it go from 6th to 3rd for me and I was impressed at the smoothness of it doing so.
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