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Re: The Towing thread

Ahhhhhh, get it right before Snuke comes along......
Jeep recommend a WDH be used with all available suspension systems when towing an ATM over 2268kg.
You were in the ballpark anyway.
I use mine with a Treg hitch on the van, and drop it off if we are into short sharp lumpy stuff.
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Re: The Towing thread

Thanks John. I didn't sleep properly in fear of being inSnukerated for my figures.
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I'm a bit bummed out actually... I hate it when I remember things wrong! Unfortunately due to getting bumped up in specification, our new van has ended up over the WDH threshold. I really didn't want to have to fit a weight distributing hitch...

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Re: The Towing thread

The figure is really only a recommendation from Jeep, and there are plenty out there that are well over, not using a WDH. I'm sure your vehicle will do it easily.

I use one and our van only goes 2200kg, it did make a big difference with our previous Patrols, ball weight on our off-roader is 250kg or more, depending on what water is in what tanks.

I continued to use it with the Jeep, as I am a believer in weight transfer, and having tried it with and without, I feel that the WDH just stiffens up the package just that little bit.

Having said that, on the Plenty Hwy a few months ago we did snap the van Treg coupling shaft clean in half - likely contributed to by many, many thousands of km of corrugations and whoop de doos.

Your van may well tow brilliantly without, maybe a call though to your Jeep and van insurer to gauge their position should you ever have a claim.

When I checked with my insurers their response was essentially they would expect me to have complied with all manufacturers recommendations with respect to both. Pretty broad brush approach but.......

And you aren't the first to have had the van weight climb - and probably continue to do so once you (and the missus), keep adding to the "essentials" once out on the road or in the shrubbery.
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Re: The Towing thread

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It bothers me when I'm following a large trailer and the tow vehicle doesn't have proper tow mirrors.
If you can't see the driver he can't see you either.

I tow a 20ft caravan without proper tow mirrors, but if you look at the centre rear of my van you'll notice a camera which is on permanently when I'm towing and the screen clips over the existing rear view mirror. Almost the same as looking straight through the van.
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Don't quote me, but isn't it the centre mirror which is effectively optional, and the side view mandatory???

I've been naughty towing our 2.4 beam boat without side mirrors, so I'm not throwing stones. However despite our new van being camera equipped, my shopping list includes some decent side mirrors too. For practicality, but also a suspected compliance requirement. Now which of the standards shall we review first ;-)

Anyway, watch this spot for hacking the U-Connect to feed an alternative camera in.

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Re: The Towing thread

John your comments are sage advice... I suppose I could suck it and see. Unfortunately I left my Jeep manual in the "secret" upper glove box slot and can't review the actual wording. My recollection was that it was a requirement, but hey, I got the numbers wrong so maybe I best skip relying on my recollections.

I guess I also need to see how the weights pan out as the liquid loads and other stuff goes in. I think fitting a WDH is going to be the right thing to do though.

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Re: The Towing thread

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Don't quote me, but isn't it the centre mirror which is effectively optional, and the side view mandatory???

I've been naughty towing our 2.4 beam boat without side mirrors, so I'm not throwing stones. However despite our new van being camera equipped, my shopping list includes some decent side mirrors too. For practicality, but also a suspected compliance requirement. Now which of the standards shall we review first ;-)

Anyway, watch this spot for hacking the U-Connect to feed an alternative camera in.

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If that is correct I'd like to know. I did do some research that said towing mirrors may be necessary and that drivers must have an unobstructed view of the road. To my mind the camera is more efficient at that than mirrors, but that said, I will probably invest in a set anyway in case the camera happens to fail.
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Re: The Towing thread

here you are…..the original bulletin - issued early on when there was a lot of hoo ha about whether or not and would the Quadralift cope.

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If that is correct I'd like to know. I did do some research that said towing mirrors may be necessary and that drivers must have an unobstructed view of the road. To my mind the camera is more efficient at that than mirrors, but that said, I will probably invest in a set anyway in case the camera happens to fail.
Unfortunately, the road regulators have not caught up with technology, so it is mandated that you must have side mirrors when towing.
I have 4 cameras on my van, and the mirrors do absolutely nothing for safety in my case. However, to avoid being fined, I fit them when towing.
The way they test is they stand up against the back of the van, and hold a hand out and ask how many fingers they have raised. A rear cam will not pick it up, but side cams will.
The weird thing is that they view side mirrors as important, but not rear mirror.
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Re: The Towing thread

Thanks Allypally. I must admit I've been unable to find that in my (cursory) searches, but as I intend to get some anyway I'll bite the bullet before my next trip.
What mirrors are you using?
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At a guess, you're using a monitor with quad split images Allypally. What size monitor do you have for that and how does it go with detailing the multiple images? I was thinking that if I'm going to do this camera thing...

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The figure is really only a recommendation from Jeep, and there are plenty out there that are well over, not using a WDH. I'm sure your vehicle will do it easily.

I use one and our van only goes 2200kg, it did make a big difference with our previous Patrols, ball weight on our off-roader is 250kg or more, depending on what water is in what tanks.

I continued to use it with the Jeep, as I am a believer in weight transfer, and having tried it with and without, I feel that the WDH just stiffens up the package just that little bit.

Having said that, on the Plenty Hwy a few months ago we did snap the van Treg coupling shaft clean in half - likely contributed to by many, many thousands of km of corrugations and whoop de doos.

Your van may well tow brilliantly without, maybe a call though to your Jeep and van insurer to gauge their position should you ever have a claim.

When I checked with my insurers their response was essentially they would expect me to have complied with all manufacturers recommendations with respect to both. Pretty broad brush approach but.......

And you aren't the first to have had the van weight climb - and probably continue to do so once you (and the missus), keep adding to the "essentials" once out on the road or in the shrubbery.
John
John,
I knew you broke your Treg. It puzzled me because I have one and they seem immensely strong. However, on reading this, it occurred to me that a WDH would put considerably more bending moment onto the hitch than would have been there otherwise. Then I found this little tidbit in the ADR VSB1, Section 16.3,
"Caution
Load levelling bars should only be used with towbars designed for load levelling. Very high forces can be generated when the vehicle and trailer combination travels through dips in the roadway. These high forces may exceed the design limits of the towbar and or its mountings."
See Technical Requirements .

There is nothing on the Treg site about WDH's. Some of the Hitchmaster couplings are stated to be compatible with the HR WDH.
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