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Old 12-03-2014, 10:31 PM
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Re: The Towing thread

Isn't the angle of the cable kinda annoying like that? Not that I can do it... wrong side, and I discarded the hook when installing the towbar as I'd always recover off the receiver. I'd rather something totally independent of the towbar too, even though having the whole thing come off is extremely unlikely!

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Old 12-03-2014, 11:01 PM
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Wow! That could tow the Queen Mary. I think the regulators do not understand the difference between towing and lifting. It is perfectly safe to hoist a 3t caravan off the ground using a 3t WLL chain. We aren't lifting we are towing... then they want us to have two of them. Without having seen the statistics, I don't think trailer breakaways are that common nor a major cause of death and those that do occur are most likely due to poor maintenance. Making the safety chain heavier will not improve things much. I no longer have access to Australian Standards but if anyone can get a copy of AS 2550 Cranes, Hoists and Winches code, it might make an interesting read.

See the pic to see my setup. As said before the bow-shackles are nominally 11mm S-grade galvanised rated at 1.5t WLL. This is the highest rated shackle that fits the hole. The raised printing is on the other side. I've put a couple of O-rings on the bolts to stop any rattling while not towing and moused the bolt.
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Hi All,

I'm after some advice rather quickly. My poor husband has just had the most awful trip in my WK2 diesel towing a 16'6" horse float. The float had a life of its own at times and would start swaying for no apparent reason. He is a very confident and good driver/tower, but I think this has aged him several years. He said when getting fuel the front of the float was higher than the rear.

There are a couple of problems I know about. One is there were two horses in so should have had a WDH fitted. I had thought only one neddy was going on this trip so hadn't actually gone to the tow bar place to have it fitted. The other (main, I think) problem is the front part of the float is empty awaiting a fit out so all the weight is in the rear with the horses.

So, until the fit out is done (probably a few months off) would a WDH solve these problems or is it purely the float being very unbalanced? Any suggestions on what to do short term?

To add to poor hubby's woes the parking brake light kept flashing for no reason. Rang the dealer and he couldn't really suggest anything other than check the brake fluid! ARGH!! I love driving the Jeep but I have to say the Pajero is winning hands down when it comes to hassle free towing!

Any advice gratefully accepted!!

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Hi All,

I'm after some advice rather quickly. My poor husband has just had the most awful trip in my WK2 diesel towing a 16'6" horse float. The float had a life of its own at times and would start swaying for no apparent reason. He is a very confident and good driver/tower, but I think this has aged him several years. He said when getting fuel the front of the float was higher than the rear.

There are a couple of problems I know about. One is there were two horses in so should have had a WDH fitted. I had thought only one neddy was going on this trip so hadn't actually gone to the tow bar place to have it fitted. The other (main, I think) problem is the front part of the float is empty awaiting a fit out so all the weight is in the rear with the horses.

So, until the fit out is done (probably a few months off) would a WDH solve these problems or is it purely the float being very unbalanced? Any suggestions on what to do short term?

To add to poor hubby's woes the parking brake light kept flashing for no reason. Rang the dealer and he couldn't really suggest anything other than check the brake fluid! ARGH!! I love driving the Jeep but I have to say the Pajero is winning hands down when it comes to hassle free towing!

Any advice gratefully accepted!!

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You've already nailed the problem..all the weight at the back of the trailer. In this configuration the trailer is a giant pendulum, with huge momentum in the sway or yawing movements. Weight over or in front of wheels of trailer reduces this significantly. It should also be level or better still slightly lower at the front. No vehicle even a Jeep (he he) can compensate in this situation.

The wdh won't help with a trailer loaded like this, probably make it worse. Can't help with the lights sorry. Glad your hubby made it safely.
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Re: The Towing thread

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Isn't the angle of the cable kinda annoying like that? Not that I can do it... wrong side, and I discarded the hook when installing the towbar as I'd always recover off the receiver. I'd rather something totally independent of the towbar too, even though having the whole thing come off is extremely unlikely!
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the breakaway cable on the recovery hook didn't cause any problems when we went to SA recently. Our breakaway unit is also on the right drawbar member
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:32 AM
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Re: The Towing thread

I can't imagine it was nice for the horses either HGM!

If you absolutely must tow the incomplete float again with horses, you'll need to ballast the front significantly. Think cement bags, water, sand, rocks... and plenty of it.

As it's likely a tandem, adjustment of the ball height could make it better. Use a lower hitch adaptor (receiver adaptor) to lower the ball height... however with the weight balance not sorted I wouldn't expect miracles here.

I'd be hiring a float... unless you want the horses to develop a strong hesitation to travel. I've had the enjoyment of loading such horses, and it's a scary thing in itself.

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As per Steve, check the height of the hitch, I had a bad setup on our Pajero and had to drop it to correct. I was going to take a pic of our float with two horses loaded (Arabs) but it looked basically the same as this which is with one.



I am guessing you have towed with this float before and it was fine. We had friends tow ours (a Brigalow) and they said it was the smoothest float they had ever towed. We have only had Brigalows so have not had a comparison of what is apparently quite a rough experience with a lot of brands (their words and experience).

The GC is mies ahead of our Pajero in feeling safe, secure and in control, not to mention pulling with such ease it embarrasses our old (2005) Pajero.

No WDH on ours either.
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Re: The Towing thread

Thank you for the replies everyone, they're much appreciated. We'e managed to off load the larger horse who had to be at the back of the float as he scrambles next to the full length front wall. A friend with a similar fitted out float can bring him home and the "smaller" horse will be over the axles, I'm going to suggest to my husband that he buys several bags of feed or cement to put right up the front of the float for the return trip! The fit out will be happening sooner that previously thought......
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[QUOTE=SNUKE;1123557]As per Steve, check the height of the hitch, I had a bad setup on our Pajero and had to drop it to correct. I was going to take a pic of our float with two horses loaded (Arabs) but it looked basically the same as this which is with one.

Snuke, I had to change the tongue in the tow bar for a HR one as the original was too low. I couldn't get the jockey wheel down even with it full retracted. I was told by the dealer that the Jeep one can't be turned over as it's not designed to for that. The HR one is the same but I've turned it so it's like am r not a L. The float is a Stallion so the jockey wheel is to the Oz standard height. Dp you use a WDH or is your set up under the weight. I imagine with Arabs it's reasonably light. We've got a !6.1 WB who's built like a TB and a 16.3 TB who's built like a WB.... i.e. huge. He's the one who is coming home separately.
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I was told by the dealer that the Jeep one can't be turned over as it's not designed to for that.
Lies!!!!!!!! Dam lies. It would fine to turn over, several have done it.

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Dp you use a WDH or is your set up under the weight. I imagine with Arabs it's reasonably light. We've got a !6.1 WB who's built like a TB and a 16.3 TB who's built like a WB.... i.e. huge. He's the one who is coming home separately.
I’ve calculated that with two horses on board we are approx. max 2,300kg. This is based on the weight of the trailer stated on the compliance plate (900kg) and guessing the horses at 500kg each plus any extra crap that is loaded.
We do have HR WDH, but due to the way the float is, with the checker plate, it won’t fit. I guess we could have that section welded away to allow them to fit, but have not felt the need to investigate this.
Even if that was done, the jockey wheel would be in the way.



Didn’t you have some issues getting your braking setup fitted, and had to get another expert involved?
Stallion are very good floats from what I’ve been told.
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All tow hitches are designed to be used both ways it should be stamped with load ratings for either
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In response to HorseyGirlsMum. I would suggest you take the float, with horses, over a weighbridge. They will not only weigh the trailer, but also the towball weight. That towball weight should be approx. 10% of the loaded trailer, but not heavier that the towbar load capacity. This will give you a guideline as to what is required in regard to ballast if that is indeed required. Also, most good caravan supply shops can sell you a tow ball scales. Similar to this TOW Ball Weight Scales FOR Caravan Trailer RV Towsafe Quick Easy TO USE | eBay which you can check yourself when needed.
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