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Re: Towbars in Australia

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I was at the Wadonga 4x4 and Caravaan show and it was said that the P3 Tekonsha Prodigy had quality issues (delay in braking) and that the P2 Electric Trailer Brake Control System was a beter option at the moment
Hi Gazz, I can offer that my present P3 works great, as did my previous one. I frequent the Australian Caravaners forum, and brake controllers are a very regular topic - I've not seen a similar comment relating to a P3 in fact quite the opposite.
Many years ago some P2's had some circuit issues relating to brake lights coming on by themselves but never anything relating to braking performance. Later models were sorted, and any P2 owners that reported issues had the unit replaced N/C.
The units are a similar price if you purchase from reputable supplier on Ebay, and will perform equally well as a controller, I guess it depends on personal preference whether the extra features of the P3 are wanted.
If you are thinking of a controller, maybe do some more checking before you decide.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:59 AM
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Once you have paid for a few services, your wallet will be redundant.
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Haven't actually had the pleasure of a service yet.....
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Pendulum accelerometer controls.
How do they work.
The controller will not apply the brakes until the brake peddle and brake lights come on. The pendulous governs how much power is sent to the brakes higher g forces more power after the brake pedal has been pushed. Or the over ride switch is pushed.
There for in this scenario no braking would be applied going up hill on a long incline. unless the brakes are applied or over ride applied
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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I had my new towbar fitted on Friday.
In the end I decided on the Hayman Reese bar as I already have a HR WDH and it removes the issue of having to grind the corners off to fit into the Mopar bar.

All in all a very neat fit.
Hi Matty,

Looks like a nice job. Would you recommend the installer? If so can you please tell me where you got it fitted? I'm looking at getting the HR towbar if the price is right, otherwise, I'll get the Mopar one.

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Old 10-04-2012, 05:56 PM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Mike,
I used these guys..
TOSSA | In Car Audio Visual, Towbar, Bull Bars, Nudge Bars installation services Australia

This is the 3rd HR bar I've had fitted by them. They come to you and fit it at home or work too. No rear bar removal required, no reflash required.

Cost was $750 installed and ready to go.

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Re: Towbars in Australia

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Pendulum accelerometer controls.
How do they work.
The controller will not apply the brakes until the brake peddle and brake lights come on. The pendulous governs how much power is sent to the brakes higher g forces more power after the brake pedal has been pushed. Or the over ride switch is pushed.
There for in this scenario no braking would be applied going up hill on a long incline. unless the brakes are applied or over ride applied
GDay Deserthucker, essentially you have the operation right....except for your last paragraph, as it relates to the modern generation of proportional controllers - as distinct from a pendulum controller (as far as I know).
In particular, the present (Tekonsha P2 and P3) proportional controllers are "self levelling" in that they can be mounted in the vehicle rotated in any position 360deg around the vertical.
This effectively negates vehicle angles (fore and aft) as the controller always relates to its "internal horizon" as far as the software and accelerometer are concerned.
Likely it is far more technical than that - but in my experience these controllers work in any situation I have been prepared to take any of my vehicles connected to the van.
The P3 gives me a voltage screen so I can see what the controller is providing to the van brakes at any time, and hills up or down certainly don't influence as far as I can see or feel. Any pressure on the brake pedal is reflected straight away in the voltage output. (nope, dunno how that works!!....)
In practice (and we clock up around 25k of towing per year) I very rarely adjust the settings, simply hook up, plug in the trailer connection, check the screen that it shows "connected" and head off.
I did have years ago a HR Guardian (same as Tekonsha Primus I think) controller that was a pendulum type - it worked on hills too. Perhaps the angle tolerance in these controllers is outside the range of hill that would be encountered on most Aus roads towing a van.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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Mike,
I used these guys..
TOSSA | In Car Audio Visual, Towbar, Bull Bars, Nudge Bars installation services Australia

This is the 3rd HR bar I've had fitted by them. They come to you and fit it at home or work too. No rear bar removal required, no reflash required.

Cost was $750 installed and ready to go.

Cheers,
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Thanks. I've come across them before for something else.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:02 AM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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Pendulum accelerometer controls.
How do they work.
The controller will not apply the brakes until the brake peddle and brake lights come on. The pendulous governs how much power is sent to the brakes higher g forces more power after the brake pedal has been pushed. Or the over ride switch is pushed.
There for in this scenario no braking would be applied going up hill on a long incline. unless the brakes are applied or over ride applied
The Tekonsha controllers still send 25% of the power setting to the brakes when the brake pedal is pressed but there is no deceleration. However, what I am not clear about is if any electric brake can provide braking at all when stationary. When a current is applied to the electromagnet actuator in the brake drum, the actuator is attracted to the drum. As the drum rotates, the actuator is forced sideways which then applies the brakes. So if there is no movement of the drum, no brakes presumably, no matter what type of controller one has. Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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Thanks AussieWK2, and all other contributors to the tow bar questions, - It looks as though there will be no bezel, as I assume the Mopar bar will in fact be a Best Bar NZ unit, therefore no bezel.

Does anyone know why the US version is non compliant, and why HR and Best Bar's products require the bumper to be cut right out instead of using the bezel to finish things off? Also the wiring connector , where does this end upo being located, the US version right next to the receiver very accessible. Appreciate If someone could post a picture or two of the finished products.
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Hi McGivor, I have posted pictures of my Mopar with with the trailer plug and anderson plug fitted in an earlier post on this topic
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Put my car in for its first service at Scuderia Veloce Motors, Artarmon (Sydney) and asked them to activate the tow-bar wiring which they did at no additional charge. I checked it with a multimeter when I got home and all pins work fine. I don't have anything to tow yet to really test it. I've installed a Projecta 150A battery isolator next to the battery but haven't finished the wiring to the Anderson plug yet. A Tekonsha P3 brake controller is on its way.
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Put my car in for its first service at Scuderia Veloce Motors, Artarmon (Sydney) and asked them to activate the tow-bar wiring which they did at no additional charge. I checked it with a multimeter when I got home and all pins work fine. I don't have anything to tow yet to really test it. I've installed a Projecta 150A battery isolator next to the battery but haven't finished the wiring to the Anderson plug yet. A Tekonsha P3 brake controller is on its way.
Hey Bob, off subject for a moment, can you advise your service cost? My TXV replacement is taking longer than planned but should be good tomorrow with a completed 10k service. Just looking for some sort of consistency on the 10k service costs we should be paying?
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Re: Towbars in Australia

OK, towed my van for the first time yesterday Took it to Healesville for my sister and her family for the weekend).
For those of you with an HR bar, where have you connected the wire for the van breakaway switch?
With the HR bar the rear recovery hook is removed, so this isn't an option.
I couldn't see anywhere easily accessible that isn't part of the bar already.

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