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The drive will do you good Bob. Think of all the photo opportunities along the Nullabour
Yeah, the misses has been pressing me to go to Margaret River. She is partial to a drop.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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Spoke to Topgear 4WD Centre in Alice and got a quote for $944.05 for the HR bar installed. Seems a little more reasonable, and they've ordered the parts so they'll have them ready to go when my car arrives. They quoted 1.5hrs for install but said it will probably take a little longer, but I'll only be charged for 1.5hrs either way.

He also said that there's no issue with the CAN bus with the HR bars. Something about an ECU which interfaces with the CAN bus. I dunno, he sounded like he knew his stuff, unlike the dealers.

Still not sure how Jeep justifies their extra $500 considering their parts are cheaper...
Fitting the bar does require that the rear bumper be removed so I reckon they would need all their 1.5 hours by the time they remove the inside trim to get the wiring done as well.
In discussions maybe ask that they reinstall the rear recovery hook with the bar as this comes off as part of the fitting. Some dealers don't (including mine) reinstall the hook and then it becomes a full remove / replace of the bumper and bar to refit.
If you get the HR bar it comes with the HR "Smartclick" wiring which apparently interfaces directly with the factory wiring.
I've seen reports that say the Jeep has to be reflashed by the dealer to recognise the trailer wiring with their installs - but read others have had no issues or conflict with the HR wiring.
Our bar was $1050 fitted by the dealer so your price is pretty competitive for your location. With over 13,000kg clocked towing our 2150kg van so far, our Mopar bar has been thoroughly tested with no issues.
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Steve at www.shop1auto.com.au says the breakout point is in the boot behind the passenger taillight. I had a go at finding it but there are so many panels to be removed to get at it that I gave up after removing the cargo area panels. Next the D-pillar panels had to be removed and lastly the quarter panel. I'll give it a go when I have more time. I'm curious. You can download the panel removal PDF here http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_interior_trim.htm .
I removed the cargo area panel and the taillight to see if I can reach it without pulling out everything. I put my hand through there, could not find the cable. gave up as it was way too windy outside do anything. looks like everything need to come out.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Dont know about the bar but its a HR plug and presumably from there back to the vehicle. I went out yesterday on the dirt to try the stabilty control and no matter what if you wrench it into a slide at 60 plus kmh it defaults to understeer with a buzz and whir so in my opinion the swedes in the moose test ( read Scandinavian flick test ) have a driver who knows how to precisely load a vehicles trajectory to invoke instability. In a normal shit watch out moment i couldnt see it happening. Mind u im on steel and 18 inch wheels.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

G'day All
I had the genuine tow bar fitted by the dealer and the other day i decided to have a look inside the plug.
All seven pins had wires connected and all different colours.
Does any body know where they come from and what they are for?
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:25 AM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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G'day All
I had the genuine tow bar fitted by the dealer and the other day i decided to have a look inside the plug.
All seven pins had wires connected and all different colours.
Does any body know where they come from and what they are for?
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:34 PM
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I removed the cargo area panel and the taillight to see if I can reach it without pulling out everything. I put my hand through there, could not find the cable. gave up as it was way too windy outside do anything. looks like everything need to come out.
I might have given you a bum steer here about it being on the passenger side. The guy that told me might be referring to US instructions for LHD vehicles. That would put it on the driver's side for RHD. That would make more sense since the fuse box is on the right hand side. I had a look but couldn't see anything obvious. Likewise I couldn't see anything obvious around the fuse box except that I had a fuse for trailer tow but that doesn't prove anything.

It is like getting blood out of a stone but from what else I've been able to glean and please correct me if I'm wrong, the Australian dealer fitted towbar is Mopar labelled but manufactured by Best Bars NZ. It is of the type that completely replaces the rear bumper bar. The recovery hook is removed. The bumper bar is unbolted and removed and the tow bar slid in its place and bolted. The recovery hook can then be replaced where it was. Power outlet is a 7 pin plug providing power to trailer lights and presumably a trailer battery. Other after market tow bars, Hayman Reese (I think), require the recovery hook to be removed then bolt straight on leaving the original bumper bar where it is. The recovery hook cannot be replaced in this arrangement. If using the HM SmartClick wiring or similar, it is quick and easy to install not requiring a reflash but I suspect it provides trailer lighting only, no power to trailer batteries. That's not to say one can't run additional wiring.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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I might have given you a bum steer here about it being on the passenger side. The guy that told me might be referring to US instructions for LHD vehicles. That would put it on the driver's side for RHD. That would make more sense since the fuse box is on the right hand side. I had a look but couldn't see anything obvious. Likewise I couldn't see anything obvious around the fuse box except that I had a fuse for trailer tow but that doesn't prove anything.
Don't think so Bob, the dealer wiring harness on ours comes from the bar plug and up under the trim at the passenger rear. It runs past the little cubby bin in the back corner and disappears up towards the passenger back window. Not sure where it goes from there tho.
I was told by the dealer it connects up in there and doesn't go to the front.......likely it will take someone to remove the trim to get a definitive answer.
When the dealer connects the reversing camera however that harness wiring definitely goes from the rear door up the drivers side and to the front. Trailer harness doesn't run with that.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Just wanted to mention Albion Jeep ran a promo in June to supply and fit a genuine Mopar towbar (3500kg rated) for $750.00 inc GST.

Got a call last week, towbars were back in stock and yesterday, I had mine supplied fitted for the June sale price of $750.00.

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I can confirm that the towbar wiring does indeed terminate in a plug at the left hand side as John47 said. See the first two photos. It's the rectangular gray plug. It sits just under the left hand rear quarter window. It would have been hard for them to have picked a more inaccessible spot. The third photo shows the number of panels that had to be removed to get at it. I'm not sure I would want to entrust this task to a dealer. I'm thinking, when the time comes, I might do the install myself and get a reflash at the next service.

There are 9 wires into the plug. I'm guessing that is the normal 7 for blinkers L/R, brake light, tail light, auxiliary, electric brakes and earth. The other two are red and black and slightly thicker than the rest, probably for charging a trailer battery.

The fourth photo shows what I found when I removed the "load floor gap hider", the trim around the spare tyre. This is the controller for the dealer installed backup sensors. It was just lying loose. Another fine example of dealer workmanship. I tidied up the wiring and fixed the unit to a vertical metal panel behind the right hand utility bin using HD adhesive velcro.

BTW, Best Bars NZ do indeed make the Mopar towbar for Australia but they cannot supply direct.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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I can confirm that the towbar wiring does indeed terminate in a plug at the left hand side as John47 said. See the first two photos. It's the rectangular gray plug. It sits just under the left hand rear quarter window. It would have been hard for them to have picked a more inaccessible spot. The third photo shows the number of panels that had to be removed to get at it. I'm not sure I would want to entrust this task to a dealer. I'm thinking, when the time comes, I might do the install myself and get a reflash at the next service.

There are 9 wires into the plug. I'm guessing that is the normal 7 for blinkers L/R, brake light, tail light, auxiliary, electric brakes and earth. The other two are red and black and slightly thicker than the rest, probably for charging a trailer battery.

The fourth photo shows what I found when I removed the "load floor gap hider", the trim around the spare tyre. This is the controller for the dealer installed backup sensors. It was just lying loose. Another fine example of dealer workmanship. I tidied up the wiring and fixed the unit to a vertical metal panel behind the right hand utility bin using HD adhesive velcro.

BTW, Best Bars NZ do indeed make the Mopar towbar for Australia but they cannot supply direct.


So the extra red and black are to run a Anderson plug?
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Thanks bob for the detail post, makes my DIY towbar install much easier. I will get a 7 pin flat plug with tail ($20) and wire straight in to that plug. I checked out the Best bars towbar at the dealership and it is a good quality unit. Perhaps it is possible to source directly from bestbar distributors in NZ??
I was looking at tow bar's straight from china. I was quoted $370 ($150 for tow bar + postage) delivered to Sydney. 2nd link : although US tow bar not ADR complaint in Australia, it looks fantastic with the bezal.
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