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Old 08-22-2012, 01:53 AM
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Thanks BobT, with your INVALUABLE assistance, I found the grey plug.!! Do you have any ideas where to purchase its mate (plug and or harness) Is there a part number. Also, do you know if there is a similar socket (plug) for the trailer brake controller?
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Sorry, I can't help. I'm assuming if one were to purchase the Ausse Mopar bar "Towbar - Complete Tow Package - Towbar, Fitting Kit and Wiring loom (XAU008220WKTB)", the appropriate plug/s would come with it. It's available at https://www.mopar.com.au/Pages/Store...x?p=2&f=14&c=3 for $647.40 DIY.
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Old 08-22-2012, 02:17 AM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

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The US one is too high. The hitch receiver on the Mopar/Best Bars and Hayman Reese bars comes out below the bumper. The bumper is only removed for installation, then put back on. There is only a small section cut out around the receiver like on most cars. Not a huge issue.

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Found this on the web. In accordance with ADR 62/01, "Ball couplings used on trailers with an ATM of up to 3.5 tonnes must comply with Australian Standard 4177-3 and be installed so that when the coupling and towball are connected to the laden towing vehicle; the height to the centre of the tow ball above the ground shall measure between 350mm and 460mm (or be capable of being adjusted)." So with the US Mopar bar, there may be rego issues (if anyone bothered to check). Otherwise, there may be safety and connection issues with Australian trailers. I wonder if the Aussie spec'd bars reduce the departure angle? It's no biggy!
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:08 AM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

fix69er, just wondering if you may be off track on this. Clearly you wish to DIY it which is great.

Not sure what price you're paying ex China but if you can buy it locally with all fittings etc for circa $650 DIY, IMHO that's good value given you're taking away the risk of buying "Chinese" for such a crucial part.

As we all know everything in China has been "pirated" to death including Mopar parts. You'd want absolute certainty if you going to buy Chinese that the bar is in fact rated for Mopar. When you're towing, you don't want any doubt creeping in. Hence with a locally bought bar you have legal recourse and if there is only $100 or so difference it's money well spent locally.

Anyway, just MHO. BTW, have you checked local dealerships for any specials they may be running? As mentioned in a previous post, right time / right place, I got my Mopar bar 3500kg fitted for $750.00.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:45 PM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

I'm with AU, I personally would never buy something so critical as a towbar directly from the makers. Firstly you lack any recourse if there is a problem as the return shipping alone would be a killer. Secondly, there is no ADR sticker. This makes it illegal to fit and operate. You technically could be defected, but worst of all if there is a failure and injury/death or damage is caused, you would be personally liable.
Buying rock rails, mats, etc from china is not a problem as they do not rely on workmanship for safety. Being a towbar needs to be engineered and manufactured correctly safely operate, you would be running a big risk.
It is like buying a cheap Chinese helmet, $2 helmet for a $2 head.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:22 PM
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:39 PM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Not to mention insurance implications.

Fitting non-ADR approved accessories like this, can mean the car is technically unroadworthy, which then means it is not insured in the event of an incident caused by the failure of that item.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

I have a contact at HR and will be fitting one of there towbars when I take delivery of the GC, If you are interested I can post the fitting of this with photos. I recently fitted a HR towbar to my wifes new Wrangler and it was very easy as was the wiring (I expect the GC to be a bit more complicated ).
I will keep you posted.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:38 AM
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I have a contact at HR and will be fitting one of there towbars when I take delivery of the GC, If you are interested I can post the fitting of this with photos. I recently fitted a HR towbar to my wifes new Wrangler and it was very easy as was the wiring (I expect the GC to be a bit more complicated ).
I will keep you posted.

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I could be wrong and probably am but my guess is that the HR towbar fits something like this US after market towbar with HR's SmarkClick wiring similar to this .You can see why this arrangement cannot accommodate the rear recovery hook. The Mopar tow bar is not like this but replaces the entire existing bumper bar and is wired directly into the tow harness. Please let us know how similar this is to your HR installation.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:09 AM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

I took the plunge and despite not having anything to tow, I ordered a tow bar through www.mopar.com.au . I now have it installed. It took me a while but it was fun getting under a car again after a decade or two. The Mopar (Best Bars NZ) bar is a seriously heavy unit. The existing bumper, which gets discarded, is made of 2mm pressed steel obviously designed as an energy absorbing element. The tow bar is basically a length of 90x90 square hollow section between two 8mm plate flanges. All brackets are also of 8mm plate. Welding is expertly done full penetration filet welds all round. I've got to hand it to the Kiwis for a quality job. The bolts supplied for fixing are considerably heavier than the existing bolts. If I get rear-ended, I hope the other car crumples well because there is no way this tow bar is going to crumple.

The two outer flanges of the bar slot nicely into the square chassis rails into which the existing bumper slotted. The kit includes two fish plates for the main horizontal bolts, 2 on each side. The diagram supplied shows these located on the outside of the flanges which makes no sense at all. I located them on the inside so that the side of the chassis rail is sandwiched between the tow bar flanges and the fish plates. I needed only the right-hand fish plate because I replaced the rear recovery hook mount. Also the diagram shows the bolts with the nuts on the outside of the chassis rails. I reversed them so that only the head of the bolts are visible. It looks a much neater job. You can do the job with a set of spanners up to 24mm. I used a shifter only to hold the nut while tightening. Because I didn't have sockets of that size, I didn't torque the bolts but I can assure you they are not coming off. That was the fun part.

The not so fun part was getting the bumper cover off, first the tail lights, then the mud flaps, then the wheel arch trim, then an almighty pull to unclip the bumper cover only to find they hadn't mentioned the fog lights and the parking sensor wiring had to be disconnected. There are 4 leads to the parking sensors that appeared to be single wire leads. I cut through them thinking I would install a 4 way connector to make things easier next time and to tidy up the dealer's shoddy wiring job. After I cut them, I realised that they were miniature coaxial leads because of course there is no earth return through the plastic bumper cover. Line connectors for this size of coaxial is impractical so I'm in the market for a new set of sensors. Rear parking sensors have saved me many a time in previous cars so it didn't take much convincing by little Miss PITA at the dealership that I should have them dealer fitted. I now regret it. They are useful but not really necessary with a rear parking camera. Of course with a trailer they are totally useless.

The wiring harness part was fairly straightforward and the instructions were clear. After installing I tested the 7 pin plug but got nothing. Either I have really stuffed up or it is the re-flash which is supposedly necessary that switches it on. I'll ask for a re-flash at the next service and see what happens. I was a little disappointed because the tow wiring breakout socket under the left rear quarter window provides for power and a few other things but there are no corresponding wires or even lugs on the plug side that came with the kit. There was no chance of rewiring the plug. I showed it to an auto electrician who just shook his head.

Some have commented that the cut out in the bumper cover looks tacky but with the trim provided, I think it looks quite neat. My only reservation is the cap on the tow bar collar. It's quite tidy but in the centre is the Best Bars logo on a grey disk. From a distance one sees a black square with a gray spot in the middle. A 7 slot grill or some other Jeep logo would have been much better.

PS: Anyone need an as new rear bumper?
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Great post Bob - bugger about your experience with the reverse sensor wires.....
Our Best Bars bar was fitted by the dealer at delivery (and it is a big, well made, solid lump) and is installed exactly as you have described your install, apart from the fact that we have 2 fishplates on the outside as the tech discarded the rear tow hook. They did give it back to me however and I did intend to reinstall but reckon it might continue to sit under the bench for some time yet.
I did ask the question about reflash of the wiring and was told "yes - to inform the canbus and have the system expect the extra loads". True or not I can't vouch. I guess you will get a definite answer when you front your dealer.

Because I tow a van i tapped the stop light feed for the Tekonsha P3 brake controller (in the console cubby) from the bar harness, and also ran a separate blue brake wire feed all the way back from the controller into the bar socket, discarding the skinny blue wire in the harness.
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Because I tow a van i tapped the stop light feed for the Tekonsha P3 brake controller (in the console cubby) from the bar harness, and also ran a separate blue brake wire feed all the way back from the controller into the bar socket, discarding the skinny blue wire in the harness.
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The other end of that "skinny blue wire" is bent back and taped. It doesn't even go into the 13 pin plug therefore not connected to the CAN. I figured it was there to provide a connection point for a break controller if needed. You have gone one better.

If anyone is interested, here is a sketch of the 13 pin plug. They seem to be a rare animal indeed. Disregard the wiring table, it bears little relationship to how the Aussie plugs are wired.
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The other end of that "skinny blue wire" is bent back and taped. It doesn't even go into the 13 pin plug therefore not connected to the CAN. I figured it was there to provide a connection point for a break controller if needed. You have gone one better.
I knew that skinny blue wire was useless......never got digging around up at the 13 pin plug end - that was buried somewhere up above where I tapped into the stop light wire - near the RH rear bin.
Just lucky.......
Anyway - hope you get yours working OK - all the hard work is done.
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