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Old 09-23-2012, 10:02 PM
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Matty did you get the rear tow hook reinstalled with the HR bar or does it get left off??
You'll be more than happy with the towing - ours with 2150kg van on the back has averaged 12.8l/100 over 13,000k connected up.
Bright and the Ovens valley will be brilliant that time of year.....
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The rear hook was removed during fitment of the towbar. Personally, I'd rather not have it as I have a recovery block with a rated shackle that fits into the towbar if I ever need to. Plus the rear looks cleaner without it IMO.

Loving those figures!!!..my previous tow car would average 22-23lt/100 towing my 2350kg van. Just gotta get my P3 and 12pin plug fitted. Next week or so, hopefully.

Been going to Bright over that weekend for 6 years now, the brewery has lots of my money...lol
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:04 PM
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Had my towbar fitted through the dealer when I brought the car and they contract this work out to TJM who also fitted the electric brake unit and anderson plug happy with the end result especially the electric brake controller out of the way and very easy and handy to use.
Dasher,
did they give you an option of where to instal the Redarc controller?
I would have thought that using a couple of those blank switch panels would be neater and easier to fix when time comes to changeover cars.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:16 AM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Hi BobT, as John said it was a Redarc I went with this unit as the pendulum system was unsatisfactory for me when we take the van off road, as you lose your braking to the van when going up steep climbs the pendulum stops the brakes coming on
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Dasher,
did they give you an option of where to instal the Redarc controller?
I would have thought that using a couple of those blank switch panels would be neater and easier to fix when time comes to changeover cars.
Hi Matty, it was the most practicable position and Iam happy where the controller is fitted as it gives me better manual control when decending steep inclines I am able to rest my hand on the gearstick and manually brake with just a press of a finger and being also able to fine tune my adjustments simply. Have tested with the van and it works great. I don't see it being a problem on resale as it is not intrusive to look at
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Gday Dasher - interesting that you have experienced issues with pendulum controllers relating to steep inclines or declines......
Our van is a full off roader and behind previous Patrols has tackled plenty of steep work over the years. (i guess that's relative as there have been plenty of places I wouldn't take the van!!).
I've never encountered an issue with a pendulum controller (they've all been Tekonshas) or had reason to be anything but confident in the way they work.
I just leave mine alone, or maybe nudge the power up a touch if I need a bit more oomph.
Good that the Redarc works for you though.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:51 PM
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Gday Dasher - interesting that you have experienced issues with pendulum controllers relating to steep inclines or declines......
Our van is a full off roader and behind previous Patrols has tackled plenty of steep work over the years. (i guess that's relative as there have been plenty of places I wouldn't take the van!!).
I've never encountered an issue with a pendulum controller (they've all been Tekonshas) or had reason to be anything but confident in the way they work.
I just leave mine alone, or maybe nudge the power up a touch if I need a bit more oomph.
Good that the Redarc works for you though.
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John,
I think what Dasher is alluding to is that when stopped up a steel slope and not decelerating, the pendulum type controllers to not apply brakes. The tug's brakes have to hold the trailer. Without any experience with this whatever, I would have thought that this would not be a problem unless the trailer was extremely heavy. Actually, this is a feature that attracts me to the pendulum type controllers. I'm advised by Tekonsha that when not deceleration, the Tekonsha P3 pulls only a quarter of the full current. Imagine stopped in heavy holiday traffic pulling a 4-wheeler up the Blue Mountains in near 40C heat. A time delay controller may pull about 12A continuously while ever the foot in on the brake pedal. Seems to me something could fry.

BTW, I don't like the term "pendulum", I'm pretty sure they no longer use pendulums. My guess is they use piezoelectric accelerometers. A better term would be "accelerometer" type brake controller. Tekonsha call them "proportional" controllers alluding to the trailer brake current being proportional to the deceleration of the tug. It's actually a positive feedback loop when you think about it. The more deceleration the more trailer braking applied the more deceleration. However, it seems to work well, provided it's not turned up too high.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Thanks Bob, I understand and appreciate your input.
And I think they've moved on from pendulums.....but didn't want to further complicate the discussion.
Personally I've had good results from these proportional controllers and I like the display and troubleshooting options on the P3. As I posted before - I use the battery voltage screen to keep an eye on what the main battery is doing.
My travel working voltage is around 5v and that suits my system. I like also being able to see the volts or amps change depending on settings and circumstances - gives me a good feel for what is happening with the van brakes.
Each to his own though and those that have the Redarc remote report they are happy.
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Sorry for the conflict about brake controllers guys, I do like John's setup except for the size of the unit I have had something similar on previous cars but found the unit too intrusive in the cabin and the lower console I use to store my GPS when not in use so the Redarc was more practicable and suitable to my needs and your comments Bob regarding pendulums were on the mark nothing more worst than being stuck on a steep incline with no trailer brakes and the tug has to hold it.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:48 PM
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Re: Towbars in Australia

Had my P3 installed last week.
Again...great unit but a little intrusive. I've lost most of the use of the cubby.
I'll have to put my wallet in the centre console now...

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Re: Towbars in Australia

I was at the Wadonga 4x4 and Caravaan show and it was said that the P3 Tekonsha Prodigy had quality issues (delay in braking) and that the P2 Electric Trailer Brake Control System was a beter option at the moment
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Re: Towbars in Australia

When I had my tow bar fitted they were going to fit a HR tow bar but I asked that I wanted to keep my rear recovery hook so they fitted a Genuine Jeep Mopar tow bar. It appears that the HR tow bar = no rear tow hook. Its all arbitary anyway when I fit the extended fuel tank I'll loose the rear hook anyway
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