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Old 08-27-2013, 11:18 AM
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No pushing here Will. I'm all for a calculated approach. There's no doubt the Aussie units are extremely different with their cut-down hardware. That said, in my poking around the Engineering Menu I've found there are a lot of references to modules like the Sierra gear which I'm sure isn't in our equipment... meaning it's pretty likely the firmware is relatively common. But it only takes one incompatibility to bring it all down.

Regarding the "Alpha" incident... I gotta admit, I was stuck for "U" today. Is it "Uber"??? Hmmm...I guess not.

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Yep, Same radio without a Sierra Wireless Module.

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- Lastly, and my major gripe... is that the voice recognition doesn't operate the navigation system. Jeep AU basically told me to get lost when I contacted them to discuss that I wasn't made aware of the voice recognition shortcoming. I was, however, totally aware that the Nav wouldn't accept data entry whilst moving but I thought I could learn to work with the VR system. I'm currently trying to find out whether override/hack devices will work with the Overland's 8.4A(?) navigation system. Lockpick sent me the most negative email... ever... and Nav TV have been extremely positive regarding a development system nearing completion.


So my Voice Recognition works with the Nav in my 2012 Overland, have they now disabled it? I must admit it's clunky but that's the whole system though better than the wifes 2012 C Class Merc - though it cost less than the Jeep.
UConnect in the 2014 may actually start working worth a darn, oh, say in 2016 would be my personal prediction.

Quite obviously designed by a bunch of marketing majors and script kiddies with zero computer skills In My Non Humble Opinion.

What this vehicle needs is a big hammer that can push the volume and select buttons simultaneously to reset that pig.

Try not to let it bug you, as the rest of the vehicle tends to be awesome.
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You can get yours to take you to the navigation screen!!!! Mine is just silence, will try Swahili on it next because it doesn't like English
The operating system is QNX, which comes from RIM, aka Blackberry out of Canada.

Maybe you have to end all commands with something like "eh" as in.

"Get me to navigation, eh"
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UConnect in the 2014 may actually start working worth a darn, oh, say in 2016 would be my personal prediction.

Quite obviously designed by a bunch of marketing majors and script kiddies with zero computer skills In My Non Humble Opinion.

What this vehicle needs is a big hammer that can push the volume and select buttons simultaneously to reset that pig.

Try not to let it bug you, as the rest of the vehicle tends to be awesome.
Yeah I get that it's not 100% for nearly all of us, and it does p!ss me off that these things get released when they shoud still be in development... but I'm not sure it's so bad I'd take a hammer to it. Some aspects of the U-Connect are as awesome as the car is, and as you point out, that's saying something

I was saying to my girlfriend that we (the buyers) are partly responsible. Everyone is real fixated on whether their new thing has "got" everything that's been invented. "Has it got" is the first question people seem to ask, whereas the real experience has little to do with whether it does or doesn't. Gadgets can often drive the purchase, so cars now suffer the vapourware which was previously only in the domain of computers and computer based electronic equipment. I'd personally prefer to not get excited about something and then be let down when it doesn't work how I'd expect... but many are happy that it's "got it". It "ticks the box"... now let's move on to the next "must have" aquisition.

Whether my ramblings make sense or not, hopefully Jeep keep at it and make good their "promises" of what features the vehicle would have... and that they all can be made to work properly... eh.

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Re: West Aussie 2014 Overland CRD Owner

I don't know why you guys are complaining over the new UConnect. We have been waiting for 2 years for them to fix the navigation routing on the old version.
I would be guessing that 2016 would be a good estimate on getting the MY14 issues fixed.
According to Jeep Australia, for the past 18mths, the comment from them, in regard to the old issues, has been... " 2-3 weeks away"
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:56 PM
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I don't know why you guys are complaining over the new UConnect. We have been waiting for 2 years for them to fix the navigation routing on the old version.
I would be guessing that 2016 would be a good estimate on getting the MY14 issues fixed.
According to Jeep Australia, for the past 18mths, the comment from them, in regard to the old issues, has been... " 2-3 weeks away"
And.... Don't think I have forgotten about you. I will check again and see what they say. Frankly, UConnect is OVERRUN dealing with the 2014 (but no appologies from me for Chrysler).

Anyway, Here is what I found out.... Yes, your radios are not working as described. I do believe that you could actually install the 13.19.0 that I have but it will not fix your issues. When you are in the NAV program it is using some Garmin tech and to put it in really vague terms it looks like the issues of looking up the database entry is trying to reference a country/language that does not exist.

Not trying to be funny but someone somewhere forgot you guys speak english. It looks like it is still broken in 13.19.0. I know not the answer you are looking for but there are more updates coming.

At some point in the near future I would like to do some more testing with you guys and load some updates because it appears they are cross compatible but until I see some substantial proof the problem is fixed 13.15.4 looks like it works well for you.

Shertim, IF you are ok with LOOSING all of you presets (there is a good chance this may happen) go into the engineering menu and perform a factory reset. This should at least give you back the standard (still somewhat broken) VR functionality that you had seen in the videos.
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Re: West Aussie 2014 Overland CRD Owner

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I don't know why you guys are complaining over the new UConnect. We have been waiting for 2 years for them to fix the navigation routing on the old version.
I would be guessing that 2016 would be a good estimate on getting the MY14 issues fixed.
According to Jeep Australia, for the past 18mths, the comment from them, in regard to the old issues, has been... " 2-3 weeks away"
I thought you would empathise, rather than throw a Jeep and be dismissive?

I've not felt the need to post my feelings in the MY12/MY13 Navigation Routing thread, however I can confirm that they were of sympathy... and anger that your vehicle's equipment still required remedy.

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Re: West Aussie 2014 Overland CRD Owner

Hi Willx
I tried the factory reboot, but the computer says no apart from losing the presets the vr is no different, comes on asks me say something or help then nothing, so will wait for the dealer to come up with something, thanks for the suggestion though
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I tried the factory reboot, but the computer says no apart from losing the presets the vr is no different, comes on asks me say something or help then nothing, so will wait for the dealer to come up with something, thanks for the suggestion though
No Problem, that often fixed some VR problems. Make sure you find out which version they load when that comes around.
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I don't know why you guys are complaining over the new UConnect. We have been waiting for 2 years for them to fix the navigation routing on the old version.
I would be guessing that 2016 would be a good estimate on getting the MY14 issues fixed.
According to Jeep Australia, for the past 18mths, the comment from them, in regard to the old issues, has been... " 2-3 weeks away"
2016 might even be a bit optimistic. I took a look at the Chrysler 300 forum (I believe the Uconnect is essentially the same as that of the JGC), and the VR nav problem was reported by an Australian owner back in April this year. He was told they should have a fix within a week: Australia 2012 / 2013 Sat nav VR - Page 15 - Chrysler 300C Forum: 300C & SRT8 Forums
A week ago, the same owner posted that Chrysler is telling him they have no news on the fix for Sat Nav VR.
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THE GOOD
- The engine and transmission on road are a tour de force. Passing is effortless... making it very safe.
- Fuel consumption was great, though my off road 18"s hurt it quite a bit especially where the bitumen is coarse. For the entire >3000km run we still averaged better than 10 litres/100km, including the disadvantages of quite a bit of idling, high AC demands and a few hundred kays very low speed work.
- Brakes, steering and suspension make for high level of confidence. Suspension is generally a very well engineered balance, and adding adjustable damping rate would make it truly awesome.
- Cabin style and feel is pleasing even after days of massive kilometres. No plastic visual overload, though the door entry points do mark very easily.
- Controls feel good and are easy to use once familiar with them... though indicator switching feels a bit cheap.
- Adaptive cruise control is great and works even at lower speeds when off the smoother stuff. That said it could have a setting for less aggressive maintenance of speed on steeper inclines. I wouldn't mind it losing a few km/h in exchange for a smoother experience.
- EVIC information is fantastic and clear. TPMS has me obsessing about tyre pressures more than usual.
- Ventilated seats work well even through neoprene seat covers, which surprised me.
- Door pockets fit large water bottles and enough essentials for me. Paper maps could be a problem.
- Vehicle is tight and for the most without plastic creaks and rattles.
- Dust sealing is excellent.
- The approach and departure angles are great in practice. It took me a while to trust in them.
- Aircon manages the ~42 degree heat we experienced without any struggle.

THE BAD
- Constantly having to check still at OR1 height due to over speed or shifting 4WD / auto mode. It should return to height selected when within acceptable speed range, and not be so hasty to drop. 40 km/h is way too slow for eating up third rate roads, and frankly, the vehicle needs the height!
- No true manual gearshift mode is frustrating at times off road. Unless I'm hurting something mechanically, don't mess with my selection biatch!
- Over sensitive accelerator induces wheelspin. This should be desensitised in all off-road modes.
- Spurious acceleration part way down hills in H1. Wow... that got my attention!
- Knocking from wheel lift annoying / concerning passengers... not just in OR11 either.
- Side rear view mirrors are too dark at night to see next to the car. Visibility past the rear end is fine due to illumination.
- You can't wind windows up or close sunroof once someone opens a door and the short Accessories time out is a PITA.
- You can't vent sunroof unless sun shade is 50% open, which makes it ineffective for ventilation when parked.
- Clipping rear seat belts extremely hard due to the depth they are recessed into the seat base. Otherwise the back set is pretty good... I'd happily sit there again and continue testing the MobileNet network.
- Audio quality in back seat is even worse than up front. Truly awful.
- Auto High Beam will not switch to high beam unless fully dark... and there is no manual override. You need to access the settings through U-Connect to enable them, which makes this feature unusable if ever driving around dusk.
- Visors creak when swung around to side windows and extended. Very cheap, Jeep.
- Seating is geared for very wide butts, and without a foot rest it's easy to end up sitting a bit sideways, twisting your back.
- Ding ding ding... where are the f&#king sidecutters??? If you have the keyfob in your pocket and jump out a fair bit, your passengers will slowly go mad. This alert should time out. Quickly.

Most of my complaints don't relate to major engineering shortcomings, but are detail items missed in final development. It's like no one took the prototypes out for a few days to get to know them and then make those tweaks that separate the mainstay from the stellar.


WHAT WORKED
- Chucking in a cheap set of neoprene seat covers. Looking at the door trims, the seats would have been a disaster area.
- Trough style rubber floor mats. The carpet is almost spotless despite a gazillion beach stops and swims.
- Mounting the fridge to the spare wheel, which was a last minute change. It didn't move an inch and was easy to access, as opposed to all the other options I trialled before setting off. I'll probably get a proper spare now, as I now have no intention of using the luggage area floor during trips.
- Mud flaps. Despite being a pretty crap product labelled "not for off road use", these saved the lower paintwork from "decimation by AT".
- The Jeep in general. I expected to be disappointed as I have a very well sorted older Prado, but the Grand is a great tourer. You certainly need to take a bit more care with it though.

LESSONS
- Do not wait for your tinter mate, despite the fact he does beautiful work... in that nice 20% stuff. We got baked through the front side windows. The privacy glass seemed OK regarding heat transmittal actually.
- Get side steps or apply plastic film to some of the lower paintwork. We gave ourselves some nice stone chips despite the OEM mud flaps.
- Do "something" to protect the Overland leather door trims. Ours are white with sunscreen... everywhere the girls sat anyway.
- Test the charging of your tablet more thoroughly and don't just trus the lightning bolt symbol. Paper maps don't go flat, so I'm quite pleased my old Traveller's Atlas was available. I'll find a spot for my Garmin backup GPS again too... sorry I left you behind, old faithful.
- Take some fishing gear. Nowhere has truly fresh fish on the menu in the North West... it's all frozen. We were all blown away with this revelation, and I vowed to support my fisho in Malaga like a brother.
- Upgrade the audio system. It gets worse as the kays roll by, and we ended up listening to "chillout" stuff because it was the only thing that sounded OK. My optimum audio settings were... turning it off.

Ciao,
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