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Old 09-05-2013, 10:54 PM
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Re: WK2 DownUnder

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I've got a question.. which would you guys prefer on your WK2 for 80/20 city driving/offroad (which entails, unsealed gravel roads and sand) ?

Falken WildPeak AT LT275/65r18
Cooper Discoverer AT3 P265/60r18

The Falken's are $67 per corner cheaper, but I'm worried that they won't be as good in the wet on tarmac and as quiet as the AT3's.
I'd be asking a general question about the Falkens on the US side of the site. I was looking at Google images, as I've not even seen the tyre, and every picture was on a US "truck" or 4x4. I'm not sure there would be so many over here who have used the tyre adequately to offer comment?

However I can offer a few general tyre comparative concepts to help you do your own research. What's the carcass construction (ply quantity and layout) like compared to the Cooper? What's the difference in "ply rating". What's the weight difference between them? Can you go and compare the tyres and give them the "squash test"?

I note the Falkens are wider and taller. Doesn't that automatically mean better???

Seriously, perhaps give Ryan at Claremont Tyrepower a call. I was speaking to him yesterday about gettting a second set of wheels as I couldn't get my usual contact Richard. I was actually pleased I'd missed him, as I was blown away with Ryan's enthusiasm and helpfulness. Make sure you've got a moment to talk though... he loves to chat

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:23 AM
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Re: WK2 DownUnder

I realise the standard Michelin tyres are not off road but how bad are they. I don't recall seeing any actual reports on how they perform.

When I got my Prado, I changed to Bridgestone 694LT the day I got it because there were lots of bad reports on the performance of the standard tyres and I got a good deal on the changeover.

I was thinking of changing the Jeep to Bridgestone 697LT but am not sure if it is worth the expense although I haven't got any quotes yet - the car is still at least 6 weeks away.

So what is so bad about the Michelins?
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:05 AM
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I realise the standard Michelin tyres are not off road but how bad are they. I don't recall seeing any actual reports on how they perform.

When I got my Prado, I changed to Bridgestone 694LT the day I got it because there were lots of bad reports on the performance of the standard tyres and I got a good deal on the changeover.

I was thinking of changing the Jeep to Bridgestone 697LT but am not sure if it is worth the expense although I haven't got any quotes yet - the car is still at least 6 weeks away.

So what is so bad about the Michelins?
I have the D697s and love them but I also agree with your sentiment of "...how bad are they". The best tyres to use are the tyres one has. So wear out the Michelins first, which shouldn't take too long anyway.

Regarding Noons' comment on 80/20 city/off-road driving, one should note that the 20 part is the most distructive part so deserves a higher wieghting.
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I'm new to the business of 4wdriving... but wouldn't it be more practical to have a set of off road and on road tyres rather than settling for an average tyre that is only adequate at both... not saying any tyre stated is only adequate... but I would prefer to have two sets that are great at their intended function and just change them when required
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I'm new to the business of 4wdriving... but wouldn't it be more practical to have a set of off road and on road tyres rather than settling for an average tyre that is only adequate at both... not saying any tyre stated is only adequate... but I would prefer to have two sets that are great at their intended function and just change them when required
That is the best way to go, it just depends if you can stump up the coin for 2 sets of rims and tires, with 18" rims being the smallest that will fit tires ant cheap but if you can go for it
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Re: WK2 DownUnder

That's right, 2 sets is the best way to go, however I'd say 90% of folks don't even take the WK2 offroad, let alone serious rock crawling or mud slinging.

All terrain tyres are the best of both worlds.
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I'm new to the business of 4wdriving... but wouldn't it be more practical to have a set of off road and on road tyres rather than settling for an average tyre that is only adequate at both... not saying any tyre stated is only adequate... but I would prefer to have two sets that are great at their intended function and just change them when required
I'm in the process of selecting a set of 18"s and dedicated off road tyres for my MY14. Current pricing is around $350 per wheel, and $360 to $400 per tyre. That's about 3000 reasons not to do it, but I've been through this before and over the years:

- Compromise tyre carcass wasn't tough enough. Grip was less than I wanted to do the last 1% of the trip. (D693, passenger rated, not LT)
- Off road tyres spoilt the car 80% of the time and wore badly around town (Mickey Thompson MTZ, and less so, ATZ)
- This time, I've realised for what I want to achieve, and because I hate tyre troubles, I will probably have to keep two sets.

Unfortunately the exercise will cost around twice what it would with something like a Prado, but to have bought a new one of those with Limited / Overland spec would have been more expensive than the JGC... and ugly as hell. So it's a cost I'll probably have to accept in order to not ruin my enjoyment of the car for everyday driving... and still go wherever I want without hesitation or concern.

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I have the D697s and love them but I also agree with your sentiment of "...how bad are they". The best tyres to use are the tyres one has. So wear out the Michelins first, which shouldn't take too long anyway.

Regarding Noons' comment on 80/20 city/off-road driving, one should note that the 20 part is the most distructive part so deserves a higher wieghting.
You're spot on Bob... it's all about the hardest / most demanding part of the trip

I would say though, that advising to wear out the current tyres should be qualified with "provided you're not going anywhere where tyre trouble is likely to cause misery". Express freighting tyres is costly, as indicated by anecdote here somewhere. There again, if you have Michelins I gather you'd have 18"s, so your exposure for severe pain is diminished.

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Hi Steve
So what are you looking at in the 18s, rim and tyre ?
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So what are you looking at in the 18s, rim and tyre ?
Well that's like asking for a inside view into the workings of a mad man!

I've been busting @rse to find an 18" wheel with a price that doesn't leave me thinking "I bought a Jeep". I've got two options right now, one is a set of second hand, Jeep original, circa 2012ish, five spoke polished wheels. Four with TPMS for $1300 delivered. Tough OEM rims, and the included TPMS got me ready to "buy it now".

Then I found TPMS for under $100 for four.

It was about the last phone call I had on my wheels list before I gave up... I was offered some BSA wheels for $185 each! There was a cheap freight component to get them here to Perth. Given the price, I think this is my direction. They are a "drilled" wheel, meaning they are supplied as blanks... I'm not sure if this should worry me, but I guess if they don't balance they go back.

Tyres are tough. I think I've decided Terra Grapplers are too soft. My old mate Mickey Thompson wants me to upsize too much so we'll have to part company. Cooper have the LTZ Zeon, but I wanted something more aggressive than that as these are a second set of wheels. WadeAU came by a few days ago and maybe I'll have to take back the bad things I've said about Cooper ST. I know the chipping issues they had have been resolved so my grief is history anyway. Then there's the General Grabber AT2... and my tendency to try something slightly off the main path means these are on the short end of the shortlist right now.

That said I'm all ears to what others reckon the best dedicated off road tyres on 18"s would be.

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Old 09-11-2013, 05:16 AM
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Thanks Steve
I am starting to look in this direction, mine came with the 20s and I have yet to take it off the road apart from some tame forrest roads, will let it do a few more K's before I give the engine some sand to play with, I did talk with a bloke down south who had just came up from the beach and seemed to travel no probs , he had the 20s on and was running at 15 psi, he got on south of white hills and got off north of Bunbury, nothing but praise from him, will be interested how they do actually go, I normally play around hill river and the inland tracks which can be trying at times but mostly not too dramatic, I have been looking at the zions but haven't snapped to any particular plan yet. Everyone has a favourite and opinion so there are lots of options to weigh up.
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I found a dealer selling used 18's with factory tyres for $500 each. Good thread remaining but onroad radials. I'm guessing a customer upgraded the wheels and offload it to dealers.

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