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Old 06-18-2014, 08:41 PM
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I got QL because I thought the versatility on and off road was a no-brainer. What I didn't know and what they don't tell you in the advertising is that the shocks are optimised for on-road use. When the vehicle is fully raised (ORII), there is little further extension available in the shocks so topping out occurs even at low speed over small bumps. This is not helped by the lack of travel typical of independent suspensions. Whether the same limitations apply to a steel suspension with a lift kit, I don't know.

Having said all that, I would still opt for QL. I have an aged mother and a wife with a hip problem so the ability to lower the Jeep is a boon.

Those contemplating lift kits need to balance the off-road benefits against the vehicle becoming less stable at speed. Also, CV and universal joints will be operating through slightly greater angles therefore greater wear.
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Re: WK2 DownUnder

I took mine in for a front end knock yesterday. Turns out the car needs 3 shockies and one shock mount. I've read about the conventional suspension knocks, but mine has QL. Interesting. I haven't done much off roading yet. Mainly the gorge drives (not 4wd) and Skytrek at Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. I did need to use OR2 a couple of times with low range to get over some rocks, but the jeep took it all in its stride.
The service adviser gave me the usual spiel of 3 weeks. I chuckled....... He has ordered the part for the brake booster recall as well. We'll see how it goes
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I took mine in for a front end knock yesterday. Turns out the car needs 3 shockies and one shock mount. I've read about the conventional suspension knocks, but mine has QL. Interesting. I haven't done much off roading yet. Mainly the gorge drives (not 4wd) and Skytrek at Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. I did need to use OR2 a couple of times with low range to get over some rocks, but the jeep took it all in its stride.
The service adviser gave me the usual spiel of 3 weeks. I chuckled....... He has ordered the part for the brake booster recall as well. We'll see how it goes
I'm hoping Bilstein come out with QL replacement shocks before mine go. They list shocks in their B6 Offroad line for the WK2 but my guess is that it is for the steel suspension. They don't say either way. I'll have to check.
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A Jeep is now in my garage!

I have finally taken delivery of my vehicle after some pre-delivery negotiations with my dealership re 'suspect' CV Boots and a few other issues. For those interested, here is the story.

Many weeks ago I was made aware, through this forum that there was an issue with defectively manufactured front axles (Loose CV boots) being delivered to the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango vehicle assembly lines. Many of you have read the threads that owners and prospective owners have posted to, so you know the story.

As my vehicle was already in the hands of the freight forwarding company on its journey from the factory to me in AUS, it missed being held back for rectification action before being released from factory 'control'. I was concerned that all vehicles assembled in the 'bad batch' period would have the defective axles and I would take delivery of a vehicle that was 'known' to be defective and would suffer the failure as did Phillyant (who initially alerted us all to the issue. Thanks to you.) and many others since.

Therefore, I used 'evidence' from this Forum to help articulate my concerns to my salesman/dealership and make them aware (as they were not) of the issue also. The short (ish) story is ,I advised the salesman that I would not take delivery of the vehicle until new axles had been fitted. (I changed my position on this later. If you read on you'll see why). I provided the 'evidence' to the salesman and awaited the response.

I was asked to provide links to the forum site and various threads/posts that they could research for themselves. This I duly did, and a few days later was phoned back with "no Australian cars are affected". I believe the message was "different part numbers for right hand drive". (I believe the message should have been "no Australian cars are affected, yet". Read on!).

Anyway, a couple of days later I was advised that my car was at the yard, so I went to have a 'pre-delivery' inspection with my salesman on Monday 16th. I took copies of the two TSB's that had been released since my build date, (but apply to my build date) so they could be applied before delivery. (I since note that Important Safety Recall RC-P31-14 has been issued for a reprogram of the Active Cruise Control to address possible un-intended acceleration. This I will have done ASAP. The recall states owners should not use ACR until the software re-flash has been applied.) I was assured the TSB's would be done, as would a DPF manual regeneration. (It is something this dealership does before delivering all diesels.) I noted a few other marks and blemishes that would need to be fixed before delivery.

The interesting and very disappointing thing though was, when I stuck my head under the front to look at the CV boots, I noticed that the QC marks/alignment marks on both CV boots do not line up (Odometer read 17 kilometres!). Just like in the photo, the mark on the metal band is not aligned with the others. Different Part Numbers or not, it would seem the issue will affect Australian/RH Drive cars! I said I wanted both axles changed out before delivery. The salesman was fairly convinced that they would not fail. Sensing an impasse, I said I would take delivery of the vehicle, but should my car suffer the CV Boot failure he would buy me a bottle of my favourite Penfolds red (Not a Grange Hermitage Bin 95, 1955, but not exactly a cleanskin either!) and I would be supplied with a JGC Overland as a courtesy car for as long as I had to wait for axle replacements to arrive and be fitted. The courtesy car condition was to be added to my conditions of sale contract or the sale would not occur. This amendment was duly noted on my contract and we shook like gentleman on the wine.

The next day the salesman calls me to say he has lodged a warranty claim on both axles and replacement ones are on order with an expected delivery of two to three weeks. It seems he may have investigated what the wine would cost him! He had the service department carry out the pre-delivery and the outstanding TSB's, fit the Towbar and wiring and I took delivery of the car on Friday.

I will take photos of the relative positions of the alignment marks every 100 kilometres or so, to monitor any movement. I can only hope they don't fail before the replacements arrive and I can have them changed out. If they fail before then, well, at least I'll have a nice red to enjoy and a JGC to drive and learn how to use/operate all the functions of the car and Uconnect.

I will say, that the last five months and 6 days have been filled with highs and lows as I have read about this car on the forum. I have nothing but appreciation for forum contributors who made me aware of the CV Boot and other issues, enabling me to negotiate a 'settlement' that allowed me to continue with the purchase of what I hope will be the family car for years to come. The first 76 kms have been magic. Thank you.

Tomorrow, its wash, clay bar, wash, wax and fit the bonnet protector.

Finally, I must mention that the salesman has been fair and 'negotiations' were completed in good humour and he has until now been pleasant to work with. For that, I thank him. Credit where credit is due.

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Re: WK2 DownUnder

Good read Gr8Ness. Your White Overland with the Beige interior is one sharp looking vehicle. Congratulations That combination is top of my list at the moment.

Here's hoping all of the kilometres in your JGC are magic
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A Jeep is now in my garage!

I have finally taken delivery of my vehicle after some pre-delivery negotiations with my dealership re 'suspect' CV Boots and a few other issues. For those interested, here is the story.

Many weeks ago I was made aware, through this forum that there was an issue with defectively manufactured front axles (Loose CV boots) being delivered to the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango vehicle assembly lines. Many of you have read the threads that owners and prospective owners have posted to, so you know the story.

As my vehicle was already in the hands of the freight forwarding company on its journey from the factory to me in AUS, it missed being held back for rectification action before being released from factory 'control'. I was concerned that all vehicles assembled in the 'bad batch' period would have the defective axles and I would take delivery of a vehicle that was 'known' to be defective and would suffer the failure as did Phillyant (who initially alerted us all to the issue. Thanks to you.) and many others since.

Therefore, I used 'evidence' from this Forum to help articulate my concerns to my salesman/dealership and make them aware (as they were not) of the issue also. The short (ish) story is ,I advised the salesman that I would not take delivery of the vehicle until new axles had been fitted. (I changed my position on this later. If you read on you'll see why). I provided the 'evidence' to the salesman and awaited the response.

I was asked to provide links to the forum site and various threads/posts that they could research for themselves. This I duly did, and a few days later was phoned back with "no Australian cars are affected". I believe the message was "different part numbers for right hand drive". (I believe the message should have been "no Australian cars are affected, yet". Read on!).

Anyway, a couple of days later I was advised that my car was at the yard, so I went to have a 'pre-delivery' inspection with my salesman on Monday 16th. I took copies of the two TSB's that had been released since my build date, (but apply to my build date) so they could be applied before delivery. (I since note that Important Safety Recall RC-P31-14 has been issued for a reprogram of the Active Cruise Control to address possible un-intended acceleration. This I will have done ASAP. The recall states owners should not use ACR until the software re-flash has been applied.) I was assured the TSB's would be done, as would a DPF manual regeneration. (It is something this dealership does before delivering all diesels.) I noted a few other marks and blemishes that would need to be fixed before delivery.

The interesting and very disappointing thing though was, when I stuck my head under the front to look at the CV boots, I noticed that the QC marks/alignment marks on both CV boots do not line up (Odometer read 17 kilometres!). Just like in the photo, the mark on the metal band is not aligned with the others. Different Part Numbers or not, it would seem the issue will affect Australian/RH Drive cars! I said I wanted both axles changed out before delivery. The salesman was fairly convinced that they would not fail. Sensing an impasse, I said I would take delivery of the vehicle, but should my car suffer the CV Boot failure he would buy me a bottle of my favourite Penfolds red (Not a Grange Hermitage Bin 95, 1955, but not exactly a cleanskin either!) and I would be supplied with a JGC Overland as a courtesy car for as long as I had to wait for axle replacements to arrive and be fitted. The courtesy car condition was to be added to my conditions of sale contract or the sale would not occur. This amendment was duly noted on my contract and we shook like gentleman on the wine.

The next day the salesman calls me to say he has lodged a warranty claim on both axles and replacement ones are on order with an expected delivery of two to three weeks. It seems he may have investigated what the wine would cost him! He had the service department carry out the pre-delivery and the outstanding TSB's, fit the Towbar and wiring and I took delivery of the car on Friday.

I will take photos of the relative positions of the alignment marks every 100 kilometres or so, to monitor any movement. I can only hope they don't fail before the replacements arrive and I can have them changed out. If they fail before then, well, at least I'll have a nice red to enjoy and a JGC to drive and learn how to use/operate all the functions of the car and Uconnect.

I will say, that the last five months and 6 days have been filled with highs and lows as I have read about this car on the forum. I have nothing but appreciation for forum contributors who made me aware of the CV Boot and other issues, enabling me to negotiate a 'settlement' that allowed me to continue with the purchase of what I hope will be the family car for years to come. The first 76 kms have been magic. Thank you.

Tomorrow, its wash, clay bar, wash, wax and fit the bonnet protector.

Finally, I must mention that the salesman has been fair and 'negotiations' were completed in good humour and he has until now been pleasant to work with. For that, I thank him. Credit where credit is due.

Gr8Ness
I find it interesting that firstly the dealer states that the right hand drive vehicles are not affected by the CV boot issue and then puts in a warranty claim for your vehicle.
Which dealer are you dealing with? I am due to pick up my Grand Laredo late next week from Cricks Mt Gravatt and I have made them aware of the CV issue and are going to check them for me.
Glad alls well with your new Grand.
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I find it interesting that firstly the dealer states that the right hand drive vehicles are not affected by the CV boot issue and then puts in a warranty claim for your vehicle.
Which dealer are you dealing with? I am due to pick up my Grand Laredo late next week from Cricks Mt Gravatt and I have made them aware of the CV issue and are going to check them for me.
Glad alls well with your new Grand.
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foglamp,

I found it 'interesting' also; For more than a couple of reasons

My dealership is to the north of the one your using.

They can check them foglamp but I don't know what that may prove. Take a look at the lines on the boots and if they don't line up, take a photo.

Might I also suggest you take a look at another vehicle on the lot with a build date outside of the 'bad batch' period. See if they are still lined up.

All is still well with my vehicle. 356 Kms (250 - 260 of which were at 100 or 110 Kph, with the remaining in the 50 to 80 range) and counting. All driven with ECO mode off and the gearbox in Sport mode (using paddles occasionally) to keep the revs up to prevent the engine from 'labouring'. I will continue to do so for the first tank of fuel at least. Currently running like this I am averaging 7.6 litres per 100kms (by car data) which both surprises and delights me! I will wait until I have used the whole tank and fill it, so I can do an accurate calculation, before I get too excited though.

Sincerely hope all goes well with yours next week and the same for all others who await delivery. Just don't forget to check that the ACC Safety Recall has been completed on your car before delivery.

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Just pulled the trigger and ordered a Laredo CRD. I have a few options with regard to build date.

The dealer has one arriving, build is Feb. No specific date, just the month. Not sure if these were affected by the CV boot issue. That will be here within a couple of weeks.

The next best is April/May build, again no specific dates. Or I can order one now for delivery 4-5 months perhaps. Any advice??

Packaged it up:
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Transfer case, fuel tank and front axle plates
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Dropped the BFG's as the dealer price was no saving (dealer could only get them for $500 apiece and I can get them for approx $390). Will do this privately
Also will do tinting separately as I can get a "cash" deal.

Somewhat stressed, think I may have to have a beer!!
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Just pulled the trigger and ordered a Laredo CRD. I have a few options with regard to build date.

The dealer has one arriving, build is Feb. No specific date, just the month. Not sure if these were affected by the CV boot issue. That will be here within a couple of weeks.

The next best is April/May build, again no specific dates. Or I can order one now for delivery 4-5 months perhaps. Any advice??

Packaged it up:
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Towing kit
Transfer case, fuel tank and front axle plates
Slush mats
Rubber cargo mat
Bonnet deflector/protector

Dropped the BFG's as the dealer price was no saving (dealer could only get them for $500 apiece and I can get them for approx $390). Will do this privately
Also will do tinting separately as I can get a "cash" deal.

Somewhat stressed, think I may have to have a beer!!
Congratulations Red PeeKay.

The best as can be determined for the CV Boot issue is build dates between 1 March and 12-14 April. The Feb build should be OK as would a late April/May.

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Congratulations Red PeeKay.

The best as can be determined for the CV Boot issue is build dates between 1 March and 12-14 April. The Feb build should be OK as would a late April/May.

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Thanks Gr8Ness,

Have sent the build dates off to the dealer and he'll get back to me as to what he has. Will take it from there. Now to determine whether I novate or finance..... thought I had all that sorted until I spoke to the Jeep finance guy. Will have to chat to the accountant!!
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Mine is March 22nd build and I didnt check mine and done over 3,000klms so far. Highway, round town as as of last weekend so 4wding.
Should I bother checking them now?
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Mine is March 22nd build and I didnt check mine and done over 3,000klms so far. Highway, round town as as of last weekend so 4wding.
Should I bother checking them now?
Sounds like it's more a case of keeping an eye on the rims and being aware if you start to see grease you know what the problem is! Hopefully trouble free!
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