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Strongjeff, nice to meet you as well. I'm also in the Army, getting ready to go back to JBLM for what could be my last assignment, then retire. If you haven't been stationed at Bliss yet... Don't. Hahaha. There's nothing wrong with being unique, I put a lot of work into my wife's 5.7... I wanted it to be stronger and faster, I realized if I had added the supercharger to it... I would still need to change the tires, breaks, suspension... I just realized that instead of trying to turn mine into an SRT, I needed to suck it up and get the SRT itself. I enjoy it... But nothing is ever enough, I've already had Hemifever tune it, changed a portion of the exhaust out, changed the intake and ordered an 87mm throttle body last week. Now I'm back at the idea of adding a RIPP supercharger... To the SRT this time.


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Not gonna lie here - All of us at RIPP said the same thing because we were looking at the WHP numbers.

Stock AWD Grand Cherokee HP at all four wheels:

  • 180-200 AWD-HP 3.6 V6
  • 260-280 AWD-HP 5.7 V8
  • 360-390 AWD-HP 6.4 V8

RIPP Supercharged AWD Grand Cherokee HP at all four wheels:
  • 310-330 AWD-HP 3.6 V6
  • 410-425 AWD-HP 5.7 V8
  • 550-600 AWD-HP 6.4 V8
So we started thinking guys with 3.6's and 5.7's can really just add SRT parts like brakes and body parts and really drive around baby SRT's. If you got the power to back it up why not? In fact, we would go as far to say that it's safer to boost the 5.7 and 3.6 than the 6.4 (stock) because the SRT has Hyperutectic piston-material that's not as strong as the stock pistons found in the 3.6 and the 5.7. Couple that to the air suspension GC's that soak up the city bumps real nice and you can really have a proper Range Rover Sport set up out of you Jeep (we totally dig that). If we had to pick one, we would pick a (either engine) 3.6 or 5.7 2014 Summit and just add the SRT brakes, wheels and head lights. Don't think we would even change the exhaust unless we can find a real quiet one with the right tone.

Look at it this way, there are plenty of mid 1970's Porsche 911's dressed up like 911 Turbo's. There are plenty of ANY-YEAR Mustangs dressed up like Cobra's. There are plenty of 69 Camaro 's dressed up like SS's and lastly, there are plenty of Honda/Nissan cars dressed up like JDM everything. So we guess, it's really up to the end user to dress it up properly and in good taste....

Would you rather they start lifting them, putting crunk style rims, under carriage lighting and call them Skittels?

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Not gonna lie here - All of us at RIPP said the same thing because we were looking at the WHP numbers.

Stock AWD Grand Cherokee HP at all four wheels:

[*]180-200 AWD-HP 3.6 V6[*]260-280 AWD-HP 5.7 V8[*]360-390 AWD-HP 6.4 V8


RIPP Supercharged AWD Grand Cherokee HP at all four wheels:

[*]310-330 AWD-HP 3.6 V6[*]410-425 AWD-HP 5.7 V8[*]550-600 AWD-HP 6.4 V8

So we started thinking guys with 3.6's and 5.7's can really just add SRT parts like brakes and body parts and really drive around baby SRT's. If you got the power to back it up why not? In fact, we would go as far to say that it's safer to boost the 5.7 and 3.6 than the 6.4 (stock) because the SRT has Hyperutectic piston-material that's not as strong as the stock pistons found in the 3.6 and the 5.7. Couple that to the air suspension GC's that soak up the city bumps real nice and you can really have a proper Range Rover Sport set up out of you Jeep (we totally dig that). If we had to pick one, we would pick a (either engine) 3.6 or 5.7 2014 Summit and just add the SRT brakes, wheels and head lights. Don't think we would even change the exhaust unless we can find a real quiet one with the right tone.

Look at it this way, there are plenty of mid 1970's Porsche 911's dressed up like 911 Turbo's. There are plenty of ANY-YEAR Mustangs dressed up like Cobra's. There are plenty of 69 Camaro 's dressed up like SS's and lastly, there are plenty of Honda/Nissan cars dressed up like JDM everything. So we guess, it's really up to the end user to dress it up properly and in good taste....

Would you rather they start lifting them, putting crunk style rims, under carriage lighting and call them Skittels?

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Well said RIPP! too bad you guys don't have a ripp kit on the 3.7 powered gc (wk1) kenne bell tried and blew one up on 5psi
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Old 06-16-2015, 07:45 PM
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Re: Fake SRT's

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Not gonna lie here - All of us at RIPP said the same thing because we were looking at the WHP numbers.

Stock AWD Grand Cherokee HP at all four wheels:

  • 180-200 AWD-HP 3.6 V6
  • 260-280 AWD-HP 5.7 V8
  • 360-390 AWD-HP 6.4 V8

RIPP Supercharged AWD Grand Cherokee HP at all four wheels:
  • 310-330 AWD-HP 3.6 V6
  • 410-425 AWD-HP 5.7 V8
  • 550-600 AWD-HP 6.4 V8
So we started thinking guys with 3.6's and 5.7's can really just add SRT parts like brakes and body parts and really drive around baby SRT's. If you got the power to back it up why not? In fact, we would go as far to say that it's safer to boost the 5.7 and 3.6 than the 6.4 (stock) because the SRT has Hyperutectic piston-material that's not as strong as the stock pistons found in the 3.6 and the 5.7. Couple that to the air suspension GC's that soak up the city bumps real nice and you can really have a proper Range Rover Sport set up out of you Jeep (we totally dig that). If we had to pick one, we would pick a (either engine) 3.6 or 5.7 2014 Summit and just add the SRT brakes, wheels and head lights. Don't think we would even change the exhaust unless we can find a real quiet one with the right tone.

Look at it this way, there are plenty of mid 1970's Porsche 911's dressed up like 911 Turbo's. There are plenty of ANY-YEAR Mustangs dressed up like Cobra's. There are plenty of 69 Camaro 's dressed up like SS's and lastly, there are plenty of Honda/Nissan cars dressed up like JDM everything. So we guess, it's really up to the end user to dress it up properly and in good taste....

Would you rather they start lifting them, putting crunk style rims, under carriage lighting and call them Skittels?

RIPPTECH

RIPPTECH,

I hear what you're saying, but with the cost of all the needed upgrades on the 5.7 along with destroying your warranty, I felt the safer bet was to invest that money on the actual SRT. At the time I was thinking what if something goes catastrophic and then I'm out both a supercharger and an engine? Having said that, nothing is enough, even after getting the SRT. I still want to get the supercharger added to it. I'm not trying to distort your words, just more of a clarification question... Do you not recommend your supercharger on the SRT due to the piston material? Have you had any issues or complaints about the builds? I called RIPP several times prior to getting my SRT and you guys were very helpful. I believe your supercharger would turn my SRT into a beast.


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Well said RIPP! too bad you guys don't have a ripp kit on the 3.7 powered gc (wk1) kenne bell tried and blew one up on 5psi
Yes, we've know about the 3.7's weakness's for a while, all the Liberty guys want us to do it, but its really hard to keep it together.

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RIPPTECH,

I hear what you're saying, but with the cost of all the needed upgrades on the 5.7 along with destroying your warranty, I felt the safer bet was to invest that money on the actual SRT. At the time I was thinking what if something goes catastrophic and then I'm out both a supercharger and an engine? Having said that, nothing is enough, even after getting the SRT. I still want to get the supercharger added to it. I'm not trying to distort your words, just more of a clarification question... Do you not recommend your supercharger on the SRT due to the piston material? Have you had any issues or complaints about the builds? I called RIPP several times prior to getting my SRT and you guys were very helpful. I believe your supercharger would turn my SRT into a beast.


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Well, we'd have to agree, 600AWD-HP is beast mode all the time and dwarfs the 3.6 and 5.7'ds power. There are plenty of 500-600WHP SRT's driving around with RIPP kits and there a handful that have had issues, but they were all very early systems. The GEN2 kits are really dialed in and considered safe. To your point the Hyperutectic pistons found in the 392 are lighter and thinner than conventional piston which gives the 6.4 the ability to rev so quickly. They don't like weak gas or detonation and excessive heat. We try to dial all that out with a really conservative tune which works well for clients like you who want more but can respect the machine for what it is. If you continually beat it up, it's beat you back.

We have over 4500 Jeep Wrangler kits on the market driving around and we can attest to both the 5.7 and the 3.6's integrity. They have proven themselves worthy of the test of time. We love both those engines in stock form. Both make great Wheel HP and respectable daily drivers. To the point of the thread, if you added some choice SRT parts, both would be great machines to own.

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Yes, we've know about the 3.7's weakness's for a while, all the Liberty guys want us to do it, but its really hard to keep it together.
Ahhh, but I know a solution. If I can get the necessary internals, could you guy's do up a custom setup?

Airram performance has forged internals for the 4.7 and as we know, share the same pistons and rods with the 3.7.

Problem is I don't have the money as of yet to get the parts
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I find it immature to throw badges on your car trying to pass it off as something it's not.

That being said I added a Ws6 badge to my Firebird Formula even though it wasn't a Ws6. In hindsight I see it was immature and wouldn't do it again.
I think it's ok to add the appearance parts just don't add the badge or claim it is what it isn't.

Jeff ... either you have good friends or they say it behind you back.
Would it be within your scope of acceptability to take an SRT and rebadge it as an Overland or Summit, to claim it is what it isn't?

Real hotrods don't need no steenkin badges...
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Would it be within your scope of acceptability to take an SRT and rebadge it as an Overland or Summit, to claim it is what it isn't?

Real hotrods don't need no steenkin badges...
IMO to badge up is a no no.
To badge equally or down is acceptable.

I recently removed the Grand Cherokee badges on my doors and Blackhawk emblem. I just felt there was too much going on and it was a real pain to clean around the door badges.
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IMO to badge up is a no no.
To badge equally or down is acceptable.

I recently removed the Grand Cherokee badges on my doors and Blackhawk emblem. I just felt there was too much going on and it was a real pain to clean around the door badges.
Sorry, I just consider it a mere vehicle, not a religious icon.

These guys from RIPP are piquing my interest with those 5.7 numbers. I would assume that as long as one does not do truly stupid stuff, the standard hemi ZF 8 speed might tolerate a bit of foolishness every now and them.
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Sorry, I just consider it a mere vehicle, not a religious icon.
I hope not.
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IMO to badge up is a no no.
To badge equally or down is acceptable.

I recently removed the Grand Cherokee badges on my doors and Blackhawk emblem. I just felt there was too much going on and it was a real pain to clean around the door badges.
So deceiving people into thinking you have less then what it is, is acceptable but saying you have more then what you do isn't?

Eighter way its still lying bro, I can't stand liers.

"But Jeff, you badged your Laredo as an srt, that make you a lier"

But I'm not saying it's an srt 8. I purposely badged it as a 6. Why because it is a V6. So in all actuality I cross badged trims not motors.

Does the SRT have a carbon fiber trim? Yes. Guess what? So do I. Does the SRT have better brakes and suspension vs a non SRT? Yup, sure does. Do I have upgraded brakes and suspension? Sure do and since my suspension is off an SRT you do the math.
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I built the first SRT clone....complete...best one yet or probably will be and I never misrepesented it or badged it as an SRT. I have owned 2 SRTs since and could care less if people do what they do. Actually this site was built on modding your jeep as you like even if its a clone...fake or otherwise.
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I built the first SRT clone....complete...best one yet or probably will be and I never misrepesented it or badged it as an SRT. I have owned 2 SRTs since and could care less if people do what they do. Actually this site was built on modding your jeep as you like even if its a clone...fake or otherwise.
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