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And he now has his son on the show. John Davis must be an alumni of the Mike Shanahan School of Offspring Management and majored in how to get your spawn a job so he can move out of the house.
Ok. Ok. It's time for a pill.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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And he now has his son on the show. John Davis must be an alumni of the Mike Shanahan School of Offspring Management and majored in how to get your spawn a job so he can move out of the house.
+1, but the kid is probably still living with the parents sponging off them.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

I had an 08 e70 straight 6......loved my BMW. Much faster in D/S mode. Only problem was after several years I had high mileage and....out of WARRANTY. Starting costing me $$ in repairs.

I agree, the new styling is.....subdued and bloated.

Biggest reason I got a 2013 WK2.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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There is nothing that inspires when looking at the vehicle. I'm surprised that BMW would release such a boring vehicle.
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I have to agree and I used to like BMWs until --- oh gawd --- is Chris Bangle back at BMW?
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I personally like the looks of the new X5, but your opinion is shared by many. A lot of people prefer the previous X5. I think the new one is MUCH improved inside from the old X5. I have a coworker who has the previous version, and I find nothing about the interior appealing. The new one is very, very nice. They're expensive though...optioned in any real way they're over $60k quick. Thats Range Rover Sport money, which I'd rather have.
I have the previous X5. I like the interior of the new one but what I don't like is the electric power steering. It feels dead to me which is why I am looking at alternatives such as the JGC (and Toureg). Looked at the new RR Sport and it is much more expensive than the X5. They are not even close, particularly if your lease.

I have to say that my least favorite part of the JGC is the interior, particularly the cheap and nasty looking silver or gold/bronze trim on the console.
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I said the performance was much alike, not the engines were alike. In other words when you want it to go and push the loud pedal the thrust feels pretty similar with my butt telling me the advantage goes to the X5 but I've not looked at the objective numbers. I have driven the 335i and the X5 and while the engine does retain its general character somewhat the weight of the X5 impacts its performance a great deal comparatively. The 335i felt quick at all times but the X5 does not and like the jeep I would not use the word quick to describe the power, I would say adequate. I'm not against BMW, I have one in the driveway and have owned several over the years. Like others though I do believe that in the effort to appeal across a broader spectrum the cars have lost some of what made them good in the first place. When you cross this with the fact some American cars are now competing not just on value but actual innate goodness I think all the luxury marks have run into a bit of a problem where those two intersect. I am a German car buyer over the years and when I shop for a car in this segment the jeep looks to me like the best overall car for my needs without ever considering cost or its relative value. I think there are buyers for the X5 but its by any measure a tough segment and the BMW just isn't compelling compared to the alternatives IMO
Sorry the X5 performance is nothing like the Jeep. The straight 6 X5 is faster than the Hemi and the 450 bhp is approaching SRT numbers. Shame they screwed up the steering.

My 2011 X5 V8 is a full second faster in 0-60 than the Hemi and feels much faster on the highway. It's also much more fun to drive than the new X5.
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Its a nice vehicle for hauling the family to grandma's for the holidays as long as grandma doesnt live on a snow covered dirt road and you stay on the interstate. Does a better job than the competition from Lexus, Audi, and Infiniti. About equal with Mercedes and the Sport has the advantage with its off road ability. At a herding trial last month we had to use an ATV to tow out a 2014 with temp tags. Wet grass and a little mud were too much for it. And you can feed a family of four for a month on what an oil service costs for an X5 after the free service expires.
The X5 can handle a snow covered dirt road just fine, assuming the correct tires are fitted. I am guessing the 2014 you towed didn't have the correct tires.

I agree about the costs of an out of warranty X5 though which is why I am considering trading mine.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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The X5 can handle a snow covered dirt road just fine, assuming the correct tires are fitted. I am guessing the 2014 you towed didn't have the correct tires.

I agree about the costs of an out of warranty X5 though which is why I am considering trading mine.
I looked at these and this new model looks like a Hyundai. I like the way the outgoing model looked but I have friends with them and they say that once they go out of warranty the maintenance/repairs will eat you alive.
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I looked at these and this new model looks like a Hyundai. I like the way the outgoing model looked but I have friends with them and they say that once they go out of warranty the maintenance/repairs will eat you alive.
That's why I am looking at replacing my 2011 before it goes out of warranty. I do have the option of spending around $5000 for the extended warranty but it might be cheaper to buy a new Jeep.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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I have the previous X5. I like the interior of the new one but what I don't like is the electric power steering. It feels dead to me which is why I am looking at alternatives such as the JGC (and Toureg). Looked at the new RR Sport and it is much more expensive than the X5. They are not even close, particularly if your lease.

I have to say that my least favorite part of the JGC is the interior, particularly the cheap and nasty looking silver or gold/bronze trim on the console.
I'm surprised you dislike the Jeep's interior. Its widely accepted as one of the vehicle's best attributes. My friend with the X5 really likes my JGC inside, and mine's not even an Overland with the real trim and leather dash, etc.

Anyways, I have the electric power steering in my Lexus GS, and once you get used to it its not so bad. I too originally thought it felt dead, but as you get used to it it no longer feels that way to me.
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I'm surprised you dislike the Jeep's interior. Its widely accepted as one of the vehicle's best attributes. My friend with the X5 really likes my JGC inside, and mine's not even an Overland with the real trim and leather dash, etc. Anyways, I have the electric power steering in my Lexus GS, and once you get used to it its not so bad. I too originally thought it felt dead, but as you get used to it it no longer feels that way to me.
I am surprised everyone else likes it so much but it's probably better than most American and even Japanese cars. The switch gear feels a but cheap to me but what I really hate is the center console trim. It looks so cheap and nasty. My X5 interior is a lot classier IMHO and the switch gear also feels a lot better. I also don't like the chrome trim around the instrument cluster (or on the mirror caps). I prefer the Toureg's interior over the Jeep (the Germans know how to design interiors, with the possible exception of Mercedes) but it's quite expensive compared to a Jeep and apparently the dealers don't discount much. The JGC really is a lot of SUV for the money and you can't beat the offroad performance.

As for electric power steering, I regard it as an abomination and it is particularly bad in the new BMW. I have being driving BMWs for the last 20 years and my current X5 will probably be my last. The steering in the V8 JGC is pretty decent (don't like the air suspension though). The Hemi is decent but feels a but underpowered relative to the turbo charged V8 in my BMW.
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I am surprised everyone else likes it so much but it's probably better than most American and even Japanese cars. The switch gear feels a but cheap to me but what I really hate is the center console trim. It looks so cheap and nasty. My X5 interior is a lot classier IMHO and the switch gear also feels a lot better.
The Jeep's interior has actually even won awards...

BMW interiors have never done anything for me, they generally are too spartan and cold, no depth to their wood trim, etc. I prefer the Jeep's interior to the previous X5, but not the new X5. Switchgear is very good in a BMW, and remember that the Jeep is not a luxury car, but overall their interiors just don't do it for me.

Thats one of the main reasons I did not get a 535, the interior was just so stiff, plain and blah.

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As for electric power steering, I regard it as an abomination and it is particularly bad in the new BMW. I have being driving BMWs for the last 20 years and my current X5 will probably be my last. The steering in the V8 JGC is pretty decent (don't like the air suspension though).
If you don't like the air suspension get a Limited. I personally think the air suspension is great even though I don't have it.

As for the electric power steering, get used to it because its rapidly becoming the industry standard. I don't quite understand why one would get a GC over an X5 because of electric power steering. Sure, it has a numbness to it...but nothing else about the GC is anything but rubbery and numb. So...maybe you get more steering feel in the GC, but what does that do for you when the vehicle is absolutely devoid of any other handling prowess or road feel?

The X5 and the Jeep are *very* different vehicles.
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