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The Jeep's interior has actually even won awards... BMW interiors have never done anything for me, they generally are too spartan and cold, no depth to their wood trim, etc. I prefer the Jeep's interior to the previous X5, but not the new X5. Switchgear is very good in a BMW, and remember that the Jeep is not a luxury car, but overall their interiors just don't do it for me. Thats one of the main reasons I did not get a 535, the interior was just so stiff, plain and blah. If you don't like the air suspension get a Limited. I personally think the air suspension is great even though I don't have it. As for the electric power steering, get used to it because its rapidly becoming the industry standard. I don't quite understand why one would get a GC over an X5 because of electric power steering. Sure, it has a numbness to it...but nothing else about the GC is anything but rubbery and numb. So...maybe you get more steering feel in the GC, but what does that do for you when the vehicle is absolutely devoid of any other handling prowess or road feel? The X5 and the Jeep are *very* different vehicles.
The X5 costs quite a bit more than the Jeep is not nearly as good off road. However for the previous model, which I currently own, it justified this by being a blast to drive. My view is that if a cars steering is numb, it doesn't matter how much handling or road feel it has. A car with numb steering is not enjoyable to drive. The steering in the new X5 is awful (same applies to most new BMWs). Until BMW pulls it's head out of its posterior, I will not be buying anymore of their cars (and I have owned them for 20 years). I may keep my current X5 but an extended warranty will be about $5,000 and if I add that to the trade in value of my car, I could just buy an new Jeep. A Toureg would cost quite a bit more though it would be much closer to my X5 in steering, road feel and interior.

I have loved the interiors of most BMWs I have owned including my current X5. The wood trim looks great to me, the silver colored bits are actually metal (and there aren't to many of them) and most of the plastics are of high quality (except the B pillar). I also like the Toureg interior so perhaps my tastes are just spartan. Too much of the Jeep interior just looks cheap to me. The leather on the Summit is very nice though.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

Its all about differing tastes and what you're used to. I too like the Toureg, but find VW's interiors pretty spartan too, and they are expensive. I just don't care for that teutonic feel. I find Audis other than the A8 the same way.

Do you have a need for the off road ability of the Jeep? I just don't think ultimately you're going to be happy with the vehicle vs what you're used to if you find arguably the vehicle's best attribute distasteful.
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Its all about differing tastes and what you're used to. I too like the Toureg, but find VW's interiors pretty spartan too, and they are expensive. I just don't care for that teutonic feel. I find Audis other than the A8 the same way. Do you have a need for the off road ability of the Jeep? I just don't think ultimately you're going to be happy with the vehicle vs what you're used to if you find arguably the vehicle's best attribute distasteful.
You are right, the Toureg is expensive ( not that much cheaper than an X5) and yes I like that Teutonic feel. I would argue that the best attribute of the Jeep and it's advantage over its competition is it's better off road ability. Not sure how much I would use it, the X5 can handle the sort off off-roading I would typically do (unpaved and unplowed roads). Might be nice to have though if the Toureg cost the same as the Jeep, I would probably not hesitate to buy the Toureg.

The other advantage the jeep has is its price relative to the competition, particularly for the v8. Most of the stuff available on the German SUVs is available (no 360 degree cameras though). There are some odd omissions though. You have to get the overland or summit for power folding door mirrors and only the summit has adaptive xenons, headlamp washers and front park distance sensors. It's also odd that though you can start the car from an iPhone app, you can't send the Nav an address from the same location, nor can you use one from your phones BT connected address book.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

I had a 2003 X5 4.4 that I purchased in fall of 2002. It handled extremely well, was scary fast, and a very handsome vehicle IMO. My wife was on her 2nd Grand Cherokee ay the time, a 2003 Overland IIRC. The Jeep was very nice as well, and far more versatile.

I only took the X5 out into the snow a couple times, and never off road. The fit and finish on that vehicle was exceptional. My only complaint would be the seats. My right leg always fell asleep in only about 90 minutes of driving. After 3 1/2 years of ownership I sold it for a substantial amount to a private individual. The newly released X5 at that time was still a handsome SUT, but I wanted more rear space for dogs & gear. I ended up with a 2007 GL450 with the enhanced off road package. That vehicle put the BMW to shame. In the snowmaggedon of 2008 (?) I drove that Benz through un-plowed roads that would have defeated any of my past 4x4 pickups.
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I had a 2003 X5 4.4 that I purchased in fall of 2002. It handled extremely well, was scary fast, and a very handsome vehicle IMO. My wife was on her 2nd Grand Cherokee ay the time, a 2003 Overland IIRC. The Jeep was very nice as well, and far more versatile. I only took the X5 out into the snow a couple times, and never off road. The fit and finish on that vehicle was exceptional. My only complaint would be the seats. My right leg always fell asleep in only about 90 minutes of driving. After 3 1/2 years of ownership I sold it for a substantial amount to a private individual. The newly released X5 at that time was still a handsome SUT, but I wanted more rear space for dogs & gear. I ended up with a 2007 GL450 with the enhanced off road package. That vehicle put the BMW to shame. In the snowmaggedon of 2008 (?) I drove that Benz through un-plowed roads that would have defeated any of my past 4x4 pickups.
The X5 that replaced yours had a much better AWD system than the yours (I had the same system in a couple of 3 series we were driving at he time). Tires are still an issue though. You really need snow tires or at least better all seasons than the stock run flats which are performance biased. My seats are fine (they are the fancy 20 way power adjustable ones).

I assume you sold the X5 for the same reason I am considering it, out of warranty expenses.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

Looking to replace our 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a new vehicle, we began our search with BMW. We've owned BMW 3 and 5 series sedans in the past and loved the way they feel. A Bimmer...any Bimmer...used to have that BMW mix of quickness, nimbleness and great feedback for the driver.

We drove the 2014 X3 and felt it was nice but a little small. Plus we did not like the idea of run flat tires on a vehicle that was intended to be driven in Idaho winters.

My wife kept looking over to the X5s on the lot but they frankly exceeded how much we wanted to spend. We paid cash for the JGC we eventually bought and would have been able to purchase an X3 or X5 with cash. But just because we could technically afford the car doesn't mean we wanted to buy a $60K vehicle. And one that is known to eat you alive on service / maintenance as it ages.

Bottom line we have purchased a loaded JGC Limited with Luxury II, Tow, Nav and 20" tires / wheels, added a Lifetime Maxcare Service Plan (we keep cars a long time) and got the whole thing done taxes, license and all for a little over $45K. The Grand Cherokee Limited is a luxurious vehicle with tremendous offroad capability. We have, from our past GC ownership experience, reason to expect it will be relatively dependable as it ages, and we have a hedged our bet with the service plan.

We are thus far ecstatic that we chose the Jeep.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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The X5 that replaced yours had a much better AWD system than the yours (I had the same system in a couple of 3 series we were driving at he time). Tires are still an issue though. You really need snow tires or at least better all seasons than the stock run flats which are performance biased. My seats are fine (they are the fancy 20 way power adjustable ones).

I assume you sold the X5 for the same reason I am considering it, out of warranty expenses.
I did invest in a set of dedicated snow tires for the X5, but never really utilized them. At the time I owned the X5, I was driving a 2500HD Silverado 4X4 CC that was a company vehicle. I really had no desire to risk messing up my personal Lux-ute.

And yes, I had no desire to pay the Stealership for service.
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Bottom line we have purchased a loaded JGC Limited with Luxury II, Tow, Nav and 20" tires / wheels, added a Lifetime Maxcare Service Plan (we keep cars a long time) and got the whole thing done taxes, license and all for a little over $45K. The Grand Cherokee Limited is a luxurious vehicle with tremendous offroad capability. We have, from our past GC ownership experience, reason to expect it will be relatively dependable as it ages, and we have a hedged our bet with the service plan. .
You have just described my '14 as well, except I got the 5.7 engine & skipped a service plan. I bought a Billet Silver / Black combo and am very happy with it.
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I'm sorry but this thread is a joke...These are two entirely different vehicles...Yes a Grand Cherokee is going to be more offroad capable because that's what it was designed for...The X5 is light years ahead of the Grand Cherokee when it comes to on road performance and that's because that's what it is designed for...The x drive with winter tires is more than capable for winter road but the X5 isn't an off-road machine and doesn't claim to be.... Fit and finish on a BMW is light years ahead of a Fiat/ Jeep GC.... older generation BMW'S have technology that Americans just barely started putting in their cars ie look at an 04 X5 vs 04 Grand Cherokee... Lastly the BMW X5 is also significantly more money than the GC which is why you get the better fit and finish and 4 year 50000 no charge maintenance / warranty.... I have an 09 Laredo X that I love and will drive till it decides to retire but come on guys... BMW and Jeep don't compare and anyone who tries to has a complete ignorance of the automobile industry. That's not subjective that's objective.... Go drive a 2014 GC and then go drive a 2014 X5 before posting on this thread.. again its pure ignorance of BMW technology and Jeep fanboyism... the 2014 X5 offers far more technology and options than the Jeep and it should for it price you pay....look how much torque and horsepower BMW gets from a 4.4 V8. and then look at how much Chrysler gets from a 5.7 Hemi and that tells you whether Chrysler engineers and BMW engineers belong in the same discussion.
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And BTW the ZF designed transmission that you all love that's built by Chrysler ya BMW been using REAL ZF transmissions for quite a while....
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I'm sorry but this thread is a joke...These are two entirely different vehicles...Yes a Grand Cherokee is going to be more offroad capable because that's what it was designed for...The X5 is light years ahead of the Grand Cherokee when it comes to on road performance and that's because that's what it is designed for...The x drive with winter tires is more than capable for winter road but the X5 isn't an off-road machine and doesn't claim to be.... Fit and finish on a BMW is light years ahead of a Fiat/ Jeep GC.... older generation BMW'S have technology that Americans just barely started putting in their cars ie look at an 04 X5 vs 04 Grand Cherokee... Lastly the BMW X5 is also significantly more money than the GC which is why you get the better fit and finish and 4 year 50000 no charge maintenance / warranty.... I have an 09 Laredo X that I love and will drive till it decides to retire but come on guys... BMW and Jeep don't compare and anyone who tries to has a complete ignorance of the automobile industry. That's not subjective that's objective.... Go drive a 2014 GC and then go drive a 2014 X5 before posting on this thread.. again its pure ignorance of BMW technology and Jeep fanboyism... the 2014 X5 offers far more technology and options than the Jeep and it should for it price you pay....look how much torque and horsepower BMW gets from a 4.4 V8. and then look at how much Chrysler gets from a 5.7 Hemi and that tells you whether Chrysler engineers and BMW engineers belong in the same discussion.
Well I have driven both a 2014 X5 and a 2014 Jeep GC. I currently own a 2011 X5. The 2014 BMW disappointed me. It's lost all the steering feel and much of the road feel the 2011 has. As far as the V8 goes you are right. However, a well equipped 2014 X5 with the V8 approaches $80k for the money.

Jeep claim to be competing with the X5 and in some ways they do. The cars are very similar in size and can carry the same number of passengers and same amount of luggage. They are both rear drive biased platforms and both have ZF 8 spd transmissions. The BMW is quite capable of light off roading and winter driving and the Jeep does fine on city streets and highways. If the on or off road gets more challenging, the the differences will become more apparent.

Where the differences are more apparent of course is cost and fit and finish. BMW is much better in fit an finish (and interior IMHO) but way more expensive in purchase price and out of warranty repairs.

Bottom line, they compare because people are comparing them.
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Thank you that is the first objective post in this thread... Agree with you on the steering but that's subjective though because of the electric power steering which some people love but I am not a fan of either especially in a sports car but unfortunately the automobile industry is... have you driven a new f30 compared to an e90... Ill take the e90 any day but there are a lot of BMW owners who love the f30's electric p/s.... then again I don't understand why they took the v8 out of the new m4 either...lol
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