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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

X5 is a nice vehicle!!! It was also on my short list under #2, but the reason I went with Jeep is:
-X5 can not pull snowmobile trailer for winter fun in Wisconsin
-X5 can not pull boat or camper for summer fun. I have seen a guy with 2011 X5 with very small fishing boat having hard time in the launcher. X5 does not have air suspension to go higher and vehicle's back end is more in the water.
Yes X5 is 1.5 sec faster 0-60 than my Hemi. Big deal, if I want to go racing I will by M5 or Porsche. Hemi in sport mode is fast enough. And regarding the resolution on the Nav unit - are we watching TV there? For showing the artist playing is good enough. BMW with similar options than the Overland is at least $20K more and I have life time warranty included. I am not worry about the BMW's free maintenance because with the oil indication going off around 15K-20K it is basicly 3 oil changes, one set of brake pads. I have $20K spare for that and gas money for the next 10 years. I was considering off lease also but a lot of the used BMW's have problems, including visual - steering wheel leather and plastic trim peeling off and also trim around door handle. Too much for the quality materials there. Three years old and were worst looking than my old 04' Overland. And with only 2 oil changes on the bi-turbo engine for the last 30K miles who is crazy to pay $35K-$40K (yes I did check the dealer service records on the BMW's I was looking at).
Bottom line is: if someone wants to show off - buy BMW X5 and hope someone else will be impressed. If you are practical and want to drive better looking vehicle buy Jeep (2014 X5 is really ugly especially in the rear).
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X5 is a nice vehicle!!! It was also on my short list under #2, but the reason I went with Jeep is: -X5 can not pull snowmobile trailer for winter fun in Wisconsin -X5 can not pull boat or camper for summer fun. I have seen a guy with 2011 X5 with very small fishing boat having hard time in the launcher. X5 does not have air suspension to go higher and vehicle's back end is more in the water. Yes X5 is 1.5 sec faster 0-60 than my Hemi. Big deal, if I want to go racing I will by M5 or Porsche. Hemi in sport mode is fast enough. And regarding the resolution on the Nav unit - are we watching TV there? For showing the artist playing is good enough. BMW with similar options than the Overland is at least $20K more and I have life time warranty included. I am not worry about the BMW's free maintenance because with the oil indication going off around 15K-20K it is basicly 3 oil changes, one set of brake pads. I have $20K spare for that and gas money for the next 10 years. I was considering off lease also but a lot of the used BMW's have problems, including visual - steering wheel leather and plastic trim peeling off and also trim around door handle. Too much for the quality materials there. Three years old and were worst looking than my old 04' Overland. And with only 2 oil changes on the bi-turbo engine for the last 30K miles who is crazy to pay $35K-$40K (yes I did check the dealer service records on the BMW's I was looking at). Bottom line is: if someone wants to show off - buy BMW X5 and hope someone else will be impressed. If you are practical and want to drive better looking vehicle buy Jeep (2014 X5 is really ugly especially in the rear).
A few points.

1) it is possible to get an X5 with self leveling suspension but not air suspension

2) 1.5 seconds difference in 0-60 is quite significant. I found the Hemi equipped JGC to be a bit sluggish compared to my 2011 V8 X5

3) The resolution of the Nav screen matters to me because that's what I use to look at the map to see where the Nav system is taking me. The Jeeps Map display is noticeably inferior. Also annoying, you can't enter an address while the car is in motion, you can't send an address from the unconnect iPhone app and you can't import an address from your BT connected phone. On the plus side, the Jeep uses better Nav data and Garmin software (which many BMW owners think is better)

4) As for interior quality, nothing is peeling in my over 3 year old X5. I have owned a lot of BMWs and never had an issue with peeling trim or the steering wheel. The interior looks better to me than the new JGC I have been driving. IMHO the major interior quality failure in the JGC is the sliver or copper/gold painted plastic trim around the shifter. It looks bad in a new car but will look terrible once the paint starts to wear off an get scratched.

I am not going to argue with you of value for money. You can buy a decently equipped JGC for the price of a three year old X5 and the Jeep will certainly be cheap to operate. It will be better off road but not as much fun to drive on road (talking about my X5 not the new one which has the awful new power steering. My current X5 is the last BMW I plan to own because the new ones all have EPS and less steering feel than a Jeep, VW Toureg or Porsche Cayenne (and I am including the cars in this assessment, not just the SUVs.
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I have to agree and I used to like BMWs until --- oh gawd --- is Chris Bangle back at BMW?
No, but the new ones look like the designer of the Graf Zeppelin is.
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It looks like Buick Enclave...wow that's pretty sad.
BMW is trying to increase its sales presence in China, which is a huge Buick market.

Sad, one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL advertises buicks, and doesn't even pronounce the name correctly--the proper pronounciation sounds quite similar to "raallllppph" in that when pronounced correctly it should sound like you are in front of the little white throne--"boooowickkkkkkkk"
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Are you a Range Rover spokes person?


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? you are asking if he has wire wheels?

I think Jeep is missing out on a good market by not making a bad*ss SRTrail version.
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I have to say that my least favorite part of the JGC is the interior, particularly the cheap and nasty looking silver or gold/bronze trim on the console.
I have to agree, the quality of the JGC's interior is cheap compared to the Bimmer. This extends to build quality as well. Solid doors and plush leather gives an air of class that is beyond Jeep.

Irrespective, this all goes well for the next model of JGC's, particularly, as the JGC has been rather profitable, competition is a wonderful thing.

... and please get rid of the rotten plastic blingy dash.[/QUOTE]
The Jeep interior was vastly upgraded by Fiat management--but in its new price range it still has quite a ways to go. It may get awards, but still really isn't in the ballpark of a Jag, Audi, BMW, Maserati, Range Rover, Cadillac, etc. etc. etc.
I suspect the awards were partly because the old Jeep interior would embarrass a K-car, and it is now in a price range where people ignore the interior for the capabilities.

The new interior is quite nice, but certainly still could use a real designer.
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And he now has his son on the show. John Davis must be an alumni of the Mike Shanahan School of Offspring Management and majored in how to get your spawn a job so he can move out of the house.
Or, possibly how to get your offspring a job so he can possibly help you get one when you become unemployed.

Oddly enough the missus can never remember Mike Shanahan's name, but if I call him "Mr Coffee" [implying regular overdose] she knows exactly who I mean, much like the former coach we call Chucky.
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An X5 with decent tires will handle wet grass and mud just fine. Grass barely qualifies as off road.
Your roads all have grass on them?

Wet grass can be surprisingly tricky for unskilled drivers particularly if the ground under it is spongy or slick.

I'd be far more likely to blame the driver than either the tires or the vehicle.
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4) As for interior quality, nothing is peeling in my over 3 year old X5. I have owned a lot of BMWs and never had an issue with peeling trim or the steering wheel. The interior looks better to me than the new JGC I have been driving. IMHO the major interior quality failure in the JGC is the sliver or copper/gold painted plastic trim around the shifter. It looks bad in a new car but will look terrible once the paint starts to wear off an get scratched.
My JGC is 2.5 years old and has 40k miles on it, the silver plastic is not chipped, scratched, peeling, etc. It looks as new.

My coworker has an 08 X5 and has numerous wear related issues inside, the worst of which is a warped upper glove box door which really looks terrible. The padded vinyl material has shrunk or something and pulled all 4 edges up...interferes with the door's operation too. Its been that way for years, she just never bothered to have it replaced.

Don't bother having a conversation with "Setoutguy". Worthless.
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Your roads all have grass on them? Wet grass can be surprisingly tricky for unskilled drivers particularly if the ground under it is spongy or slick. I'd be far more likely to blame the driver than either the tires or the vehicle.
The driver is always an issue on and off road of course but traction on any uniformly slick surface will be very dependent on the tires and not so much ground clearance or the AWD system. Jeep or X5 or even 3 series with the same tires are likely to do about as well as each other.

Of course the X5 has almost as much ground clearance as a JGC and a better AWD system than QT1 (which appears to be similar to the old BMW system).
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My JGC is 2.5 years old and has 40k miles on it, the silver plastic is not chipped, scratched, peeling, etc. It looks as new. My coworker has an 08 X5 and has numerous wear related issues inside, the worst of which is a warped upper glove box door which really looks terrible. The padded vinyl material has shrunk or something and pulled all 4 edges up...interferes with the door's operation too. Its been that way for years, she just never bothered to have it replaced. Don't bother having a conversation with "Setoutguy". Worthless.
An 08 is about six years old now. Not sure what happened to your coworkers X5 but it sounds like a manufacturing defect. Unfortunately BMWs are also less than perfect In that regard, particularly soon after a model has been introduced. Once the 4 year warranty has expired, getting interior trim fixed is going to be expensive.

Happy to hear your silver plastic is free from defects or damage. In one thread I read in this forum, someone's trim was damaged either by hand sanitizer or the wipe used to clean it up.
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My JGC is 2.5 years old and has 40k miles on it, the silver plastic is not chipped, scratched, peeling, etc. It looks as new. My coworker has an 08 X5 and has numerous wear related issues inside, the worst of which is a warped upper glove box door which really looks terrible. The padded vinyl material has shrunk or something and pulled all 4 edges up...interferes with the door's operation too. Its been that way for years, she just never bothered to have it replaced. Don't bother having a conversation with "Setoutguy". Worthless.

An 08 is about six years old now. Not sure what happened to your coworkers X5 but it sounds like a manufacturing defect. Unfortunately BMWs are also less than perfect In that regard, particularly soon after a model has been introduced. Once the 4 year warranty has expired, getting interior trim fixed is going to be expensive.

Happy to hear your silver plastic is free from defects or damage. In one thread I read in this forum, someone's trim was damaged either by hand sanitizer or the wipe used to clean it up.

ADGgant, if you Google "BMW trim paint peeling" you will get a lot of talk and pictures about it. In the BMW forums they have DIY for this issue:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=548851
It is not issue for older years only on all models (including M's), but new ones continue to have it:
Trim paint peeling already?!
According to Auto Express BMW is using water based paint that is not very good:
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Replacing trims at the dealer outside the warranty is $1k-$1,500. I have spent less on ALL repairs for my 04' Overland for the last 10 years and it looks like brand new. That's why I have decided to give Jeep second chance with 2014 model. Don't get me wrong - I love BMW also, but their prices are going up and quality down (make sense). Did you noticed that new 2014 S drive X5 (only rear wheel drive) is almost $3k more expensive that 2013 X drive X5???
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