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An 08 is about six years old now. Not sure what happened to your coworkers X5 but it sounds like a manufacturing defect. Unfortunately BMWs are also less than perfect In that regard, particularly soon after a model has been introduced. Once the 4 year warranty has expired, getting interior trim fixed is going to be expensive.

Happy to hear your silver plastic is free from defects or damage. In one thread I read in this forum, someone's trim was damaged either by hand sanitizer or the wipe used to clean it up.
yeah...ONE owner damaged his center console and now ALL Jeeps have this according to you? He damaged it....it wasn't a defect. The plastics are CHEAP LOOKING in your opinion...we get that...move on. Many hundreds of thousands of GC owners would disagree as would many in the automotive world who gave the GC's interior..........awards!


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this thread is out growing its usefulness......
id say 99% of the threads like this do.
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yeah...ONE owner damaged his center console and now ALL Jeeps have this according to you? He damaged it....it wasn't a defect. The plastics are CHEAP LOOKING in your opinion...we get that...move on. Many hundreds of thousands of GC owners would disagree as would many in the automotive world who gave the GC's interior..........awards! this thread is out growing its usefulness......
I was at a Jeep dealer today. They had a WK2 on the floor and the center console had a scratch by the cup holder. The problem with painted plastic is it is easily damaged and silver really shows the damage if the plastic underneath is dark.

Yes I do think silver painted plastic looks cheap and I don't care how many awards the Jeep has one. I don't chose my car based on how many awards it has. I could care less.
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ADGgant, if you Google "BMW trim paint peeling" you will get a lot of talk and pictures about it. In the BMW forums they have DIY for this issue: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=548851http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=548851 It is not issue for older years only on all models (including M's), but new ones continue to have it: Trim paint peeling already?! According to Auto Express BMW is using water based paint that is not very good: Owners Replacing trims at the dealer outside the warranty is $1k-$1,500. I have spent less on ALL repairs for my 04' Overland for the last 10 years and it looks like brand new. That's why I have decided to give Jeep second chance with 2014 model. Don't get me wrong - I love BMW also, but their prices are going up and quality down (make sense). Did you noticed that new 2014 S drive X5 (only rear wheel drive) is almost $3k more expensive that 2013 X drive X5???
I am aware of complaints about the exterior paint finishes in late model BMWs though not the interior trim issues you have linked too. I am also aware that out of warranty BMWs cost a fortune to fix which is why I am considered selling mine before the warranty expires. I don't doubt I will spend less if I trade it in for a Jeep. That is why I am looking at Jeeps.

I have driven an F30 3 series. I hated how it drove and I wasn't too impressed with the interior either. Looked really cheap compared to my various E46 3 series. There isn't actually a new BMW I am interested in buying right now but I have been driving them for the last 20 years and haven't owned anything else.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:38 PM
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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An 08 is about six years old now. Not sure what happened to your coworkers X5 but it sounds like a manufacturing defect. Unfortunately BMWs are also less than perfect In that regard, particularly soon after a model has been introduced. Once the 4 year warranty has expired, getting interior trim fixed is going to be expensive.
VERY weird issue...it happened when it was much newer, she doesn't care but it's hideous.

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Happy to hear your silver plastic is free from defects or damage. In one thread I read in this forum, someone's trim was damaged either by hand sanitizer or the wipe used to clean it up.
An inappropriate chemical can and will damage any material. Hand sanitizer is almost pure alcohol. That will discolor or stain a lot of different materials.

The vast majority of owners here have no problems. We sit stuff on the console, lay sunglasses on it, etc. No scratches, no problems. My coworkers X5 has scratched wood trim, door panels that are all scuffed up and chipped up. Is that because it's low quality? No it's because it's poorly cared for. Anything can be damaged, and in fact finer materials are often LESS durable.
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VERY weird issue...it happened when it was much newer, she doesn't care but it's hideous. An inappropriate chemical can and will damage any material. Hand sanitizer is almost pure alcohol. That will discolor or stain a lot of different materials. The vast majority of owners here have no problems. We sit stuff on the console, lay sunglasses on it, etc. No scratches, no problems. My coworkers X5 has scratched wood trim, door panels that are all scuffed up and chipped up. Is that because it's low quality? No it's because it's poorly cared for. Anything can be damaged, and in fact finer materials are often LESS durable.
It's pretty common to scuff up door panels in any car, people hit them with their feet leaving the vehicle. The one common trim complaint with the previous X5 is the plastic trim on the door pillar, it gets damaged by the seat belt flange.
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Re: First Impression 2014 BMW X5

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The one common trim complaint with the previous X5 is the plastic trim on the door pillar, it gets damaged by the seat belt flange.
See, trim complaints are there for every make.

When you consider what the Jeep really is you come to realize what a nice vehicle it really is inside. At its core is a $26,000 SUV. If you compare it to what it really competes against...a Highlander, a 4Runner, an Explorer...things in that same mainstream price bracket, MSRP for MSRP the Jeep is MUCH nicer. When you get into the luxury price points with the Jeep above $45k and you compare it with say an Infiniti FX or a Lexus RX or GX or an Acura RDX or MDX...the Jeep is MUCH nicer...

When you start comparing it to $60k plus vehicles like an X5 or a Mercedes ML or a Range Rover then those vehicles obviously begin to have better interiors.

But for a mainstream, non luxury branded midsize SUV the Jeep Grand Cherokee is about the nicest vehicle you can buy. Believe me, I've looked at them all. The members here will tell you too I'm no fanboy, I've had issues with my Jeep and have been pretty vocal about them. I shopped around trying to find something I liked as much so I could get rid of the Jeep...and couldn't.
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See, trim complaints are there for every make. When you consider what the Jeep really is you come to realize what a nice vehicle it really is inside. At its core is a $26,000 SUV. If you compare it to what it really competes against...a Highlander, a 4Runner, an Explorer...things in that same mainstream price bracket, MSRP for MSRP the Jeep is MUCH nicer. When you get into the luxury price points with the Jeep above $45k and you compare it with say an Infiniti FX or a Lexus RX or GX or an Acura RDX or MDX...the Jeep is MUCH nicer... When you start comparing it to $60k plus vehicles like an X5 or a Mercedes ML or a Range Rover then those vehicles obviously begin to have better interiors. But for a mainstream, non luxury branded midsize SUV the Jeep Grand Cherokee is about the nicest vehicle you can buy. Believe me, I've looked at them all. The members here will tell you too I'm no fanboy, I've had issues with my Jeep and have been pretty vocal about them. I shopped around trying to find something I liked as much so I could get rid of the Jeep...and couldn't.
I would agree that the Jeep JGC is a lot of SUV for the money and the interior at the lower trim levels is on the whole very nice relative to similarly priced competitors. Not as sure about the higher price points though. Jeep does upgrade the leather and wrap the dash in leather too. The upgraded leather is nicer than the leather in many 60k cars. However that is the only thing they upgrade, he rest of the interior is pretty much the same. The Summit is priced close to VW Toureg which is technically a mainstream brand SUV and which has a very high quality interior (better than my X5 IMHO).
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ot as sure about the higher price points though. Jeep does upgrade the leather and wrap the dash in leather too. The upgraded leather is nicer than the leather in many 60k cars. However that is the only thing they upgrade, he rest of the interior is pretty much the same. The Summit is priced close to VW Toureg which is technically a mainstream brand SUV and which has a very high quality interior (better than my X5 IMHO).
Thats not the only thing they upgrade. Overland and Summit models have high quality genuine wood trim, wood/leather steering, Summit models get upgraded carpeting and an alcantara headliner as well as a few other trim items (different audio speaker coverings, etc).

A loaded Summit V8 is $55,855. That vehicle can be purchased UNDER $50k with little effort. What else under $50k offers that blend of quality, performance, interior comfort and quality, and capability?

VW is really mainstream+. The Toureg starts at $44,000, $16,000 more than the JGC. A loaded Toureg V6 (there is no V8) is $58,000 and doesn't even have several features the JGC has. When you compare it to a loaded V6 Summit, the price of the summit drops under $52k.

The Toureg is about $10k more than a loaded Summit JGC...even wider when you really look at the idea that the Toureg is really more comparable to an Overland at that trim.
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I am aware of complaints about the exterior paint finishes in late model BMWs though not the interior trim issues you have linked too. I am also aware that out of warranty BMWs cost a fortune to fix which is why I am considered selling mine before the warranty expires. I don't doubt I will spend less if I trade it in for a Jeep. That is why I am looking at Jeeps.

I have driven an F30 3 series. I hated how it drove and I wasn't too impressed with the interior either. Looked really cheap compared to my various E46 3 series. There isn't actually a new BMW I am interested in buying right now but I have been driving them for the last 20 years and haven't owned anything else.
BMW hasnt made a decent 3 series since the E30 and 5 series since the E28. Both the E36 and E46 had rear subframe issues and then the door frame issue. Damn I wish I kept a nice low mileage E30M3 under a cover in the back of my garage. Best RWD BMW ever made. Probably the best BMW ever made along with the M1.
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Thats not the only thing they upgrade. Overland and Summit models have high quality genuine wood trim, wood/leather steering, Summit models get upgraded carpeting and an alcantara headliner as well as a few other trim items (different audio speaker coverings, etc). A loaded Summit V8 is $55,855. That vehicle can be purchased UNDER $50k with little effort. What else under $50k offers that blend of quality, performance, interior comfort and quality, and capability? VW is really mainstream+. The Toureg starts at $44,000, $16,000 more than the JGC. A loaded Toureg V6 (there is no V8) is $58,000 and doesn't even have several features the JGC has. When you compare it to a loaded V6 Summit, the price of the summit drops under $52k. The Toureg is about $10k more than a loaded Summit JGC...even wider when you really look at the idea that the Toureg is really more comparable to an Overland at that trim.
True, when you look past the sticker, the Toureg is more expensive than the Jeep and lacks certain features (a significant one being ACC). It does however have some features the Summit does not such as 360 degree cameras. It also has more hard buttons for the MFD including a rotary knob for map scrolling. You can apparently import addresses into the Nav via SD but not BT unfortunately. The Toureg is still a great car for the price given it's essentially a Porsche Cayenne Laredo.

Didn't know that Summit upgraded the carpet.
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The other big thing about the Jeep is the amount you can get off the sticker. My GC stickered just below $40k...I paid $32,500. Earlier this year I was looking at a $48,500 Overland. $42k doable...when you think about that its an even better value.

Can't get those kinds of deals on a Toureg...
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