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2013 Jeep Grand Wagoneer

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First image of the 2013 Jeep Grand Wagoneer?
 

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Here's A 2013/2014 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "PhotoShop Throwdown"!

OK, all you Photoshop gurus, come up with a better PS version than mine of the new 2013/2014 Jeep Grand Wagoneer and I'll send you a nice high res, suitable for framing, copy of my rendering.

Colorado Jeep Rules!
 
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I don't think the current platform can handle much more length. The Durango barely fits as is. It'll probably be the same size.
 
#21 ·
Thanks, Marlon.

I'll probably be deciding this fall then between a '14 Durango and a '13/'14 GMC Acadia. The Acadia has more room / better interior space...the Durango with the new transmission and interior electronics will be better at pretty much everything else.

If we find out the Wagoneer will have more room than the Durango, I would be willing to wait it out another year for that...
 
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Overall I think this will be a hard vehicle for Jeep to pull off and sell at volume. If they make it too small with a useless third row there won't a convincing reason to buy it over the GC. If they make it big enough to have a useful third row the vehicle will be very heavy and use a lot of fuel (like the mercedes GL...the only SUV with a useful third row and off road capabilities). They have to maintain the off road capabilities and ground clearance so it will not have as much interior/cargo space as the lambda vehicles (even if they lengthen it enough for a useful third row).

The current Durango has a small third row, and it does not have true off road capabilities. If both of these shortcomings are overcome in the Jeep, the pentastar engine will probably be inadequate requiring the Hemi or CRD.

Most people who are looking for three row people movers are not looking for off road capabilities, nor are they willing to pay the monetary and packaging (space) costs; hence the success of the GM lambda vehicles. Chrysler would be better off competing in that class than going after a niche market with the Grand Wagoneer....maybe that is why we hear very little about a GW.
 
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Overall I think this will be a hard vehicle for Jeep to pull off and sell at volume. ....Most people who are looking for three row people movers are not looking for off road capabilities, nor are they willing to pay the monetary and packaging (space) costs; hence the success of the GM lambda vehicles. Chrysler would be better off competing in that class than going after a niche market with the Grand Wagoneer....maybe that is why we hear very little about a GW.
I agree and disagree.

I think in an ideal world, yes, the Dodge / Chrysler / Jeep line-up would look something like this for the "large people and stuff" movers:

* Dodge: Caravan Minivan. ("Everyman's peoplemover"). No crossover.
* Chrysler: Large Luxury Crossover SUV. (Bigger version of Durango...think Aspen but in a crossover package, not truck based.). No mini vans.
* Jeep: None

On the one hand, I agree that most people looking for 3 row crossovers are not looking to go off-road, so a Jeep Wagoneer doesn't make much sense when looked at in that light. These consumers are looking for as close to mini-van utility as they can get, in a package that is not a mini-van. :)

On the other hand, the Jeep brand has much more sales cachet for "sport utility" vehicles.

So, in my opinion if Jeep is willing to create a Wagoneer that pays only "lip service" to off-roading capability (or even dare I say none), and concentrates on "people and stuff utility" then I think that would be a bigger seller than packaging the vehicle as a Chrysler. While such a vehicle might be Jeep in name only, I think it's what consumers want. The risk to doing this is potentially harming the Jeep brand with a vehicle that is not truly "Jeep like". (Not off-road worthy).

If the Wagoneer ends up being essentially the same size as a Durago...basically a Durango in Jeep skin with some off-roading capability, then while I think it would sell more than the Durango...I don't think it would be a sales hit.
 
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the Durango is currently the only 3 row SUV that can tow more than 5000 pounds for under $60,000 dollars, unless you want to go Tahoe or bigger. I don't. There is your market
 
#25 ·
Thing is...that's not a large market. If it were, Durango sales would be much larger than they are being the only vehicle that exists in the class you describe. That's exactly my point.

Apparently...most sub $60K 3 row buyers either

1) Prefer a larger vehichle if they need to tow 5000+ lbs

or

2) Don't care much about the towing

We know what's good about the durango...the question is what needs to change in order to increase its market share. Personally, I think I basically just needs a little more length and interior room to compete with the GM Lambda models in that area.

(On a side note...technically GM's Acadia and Traverse are rated to tow 5,200 lbs, but of course the Durango is much better towing vehicle in any case.)
 
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What I mean is that to be successful, the Durango needs to be less truck-like as it is now, and more crossover-like as Explorer became.

I think Durango's target market is more like the people who would take trips out to their favorite fishing spot the next state over, while pulling a boat. The soccer moms are more likely to drive something a bit more car-like.

It's interesting you see a lot of Lambdas. We have some Acadias, a decent amount of Enclaves, but Explorer is more common than both combined. Lots of Pilots and Highlanders too though.
 
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What I mean is that to be successful, the Durango needs to be less truck-like as it is now, and more crossover-like as Explorer became.
Gotcha.

I think we mostly agree on this. To be clear though, my idea of "More crossover Like" means less off road worthiness and more interior room.

A jeep Grand Wagoner (assuming it is off road worthy) would be going in the "Less" crossover route, which still leaves room for a 3 row chrysler crossover product "For the masses".

That could be filled with a new Chrysler "Aspen" as you mentioned or a new Durango.

Just to be clear, I think "Every man's" 3 row crossover is basically a king an for those Le who don't want minivan styling.

Note that neither GM nor Ford has minivans anymore...so they have products that directly address the lack of minivan. GM has the lambdas to fit this need. Ford has the Flex to fit this need.

Chryco of course still has minivans, so I can see the reluctance with making a truly large 3 row crossover which might eat into minivan sales.


It's interesting you see a lot of Lambdas. We have some Acadias, a decent amount of Enclaves, but Explorer is more common than both combined. Lots of Pilots and Highlanders too though.
Yeah, I'd love to see national sales numbers for these..
 
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I don't mean to offend anyone here, but I think that you are missing the point completely.

The number one quality that made the original grand wagoneer a success was the luxury aspect, above a certain dollar figure, its an emotional buying and not just numbers.

The route to go is an 80K$ grand wagoneer with everything possible as standard. a hemi 6.4 and real off road capability.

Benz just made this trick with the GL, the 450 sells fine and they added a 550, same car more luxury also sells fine.

I would like to qualify my remarks by adding that I currently own a 2012 grand Cherokee, a 2008 GL 450 and a 1991 grand wagoneer :)

I may be a bit of an affluent jeep nut, but there are plenty like me!
 
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I am deeply offended!! :slapfight:

Seriously though, I agree ChryCo should have a 3 row crossover that speaks to the "luxury" audience. I'm not sure if it should come from Jeep or Chrysler brand though.

If money were no object for me, I'd be getting a Mercedez GL450. I don't have the disposable cash to spend $80K on the vehicle with the equipment I want, so it's going to have to be a used GL-450, vs. a "new" crossover from competitors (Acura, Infinity, Dodge, GM...)

Now, there "luxury" and there's luxury. I'm still not convinced that Jeep or Chrysler could get away with an $80K Wagoneer, though. There may be enough customers who would cross-shop between an $80K Wagonner, a GL-450 and say a high end escalade...but when you spend in that market, I believe you expect a certain level of sophistication and service from the service department. (You know, free loaner cars, tea and crumpets in the waiting area, etc, basically get your ass kissed while they take your money, as opposed to most service departments where they take your money without kissing your ass.)

I have not owned a Jeep or Chrysler since forever, so I don't know what their service dept is like, but I would guess it's just not the same as Audi, Mercedez, etc. based on a dealer visit I made last year when test driving the Durango. More like your typical GM, Toyota, Honda, etc. service dept.

If the Jeep service experience can't match that of the true "luxury" brands, then I don't see an $80K Wagoneer in the cards. $60K tops IMO. part of the "emotional buying experience" that goes with the luxury brands is the service aspect.
 
#33 ·
A high end Grand Wagoneer is the vehicle for me! My wife drives a 2012 Range Rover Supercharged and i have the 2013 JGC SRT8, but i also have a 2012 Yukon XL Denali for the people hauling trips. I think I can get my wife out of the RR and into the Grand Wagoneer(she loved her '85) then we could get rid of the Denali. The 6.4 would be ideal in the new Wagoneer. Plenty of HP and TQ for me and plenty of luxury for her!

I actually HATE the RR dealership experience! All $$ and no substance. I feel like I have to beg for their attention. I deal with GM and Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge dealerships and find them just great for my service and repairs. Much more my type of place.
 
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