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Old 01-13-2011, 07:08 PM
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Re: New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

I will believe that the pick-up is coming out when I see it roll off the line. Jeep has been making this claim for years about a new pick-up......

The Wagoneer is going to be a flop. I can see it being a real full sized SUV (Tahoe sized) costing more than the WK and when people see their 50-55K Jeeps resale for 20K in 2 years then people would stop buying them. Plus we have already seen what can happen when you produce a larger car at the same cost of the WK. AND we also saw what happen to the Limiteds and Overlands on the 1st gen WKs.
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Re: New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

the resale of the wk is weak...becasue of the gas price situation a couple years ago and because of its poor public view. New Jeeps(wk2) will not be this way...mark my words....
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Re: New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

oh.,...and I think its great Jeep is looking at other vehicles to build....
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the resale of the wk is weak...becasue of the gas price situation a couple years ago and because of its poor public view. New Jeeps(wk2) will not be this way...mark my words....
I agree, Scott!! And I'm glad jeeps lookin at other things to build too! Go jeep
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the resale of the wk is weak...becasue of the gas price situation a couple years ago and because of its poor public view. New Jeeps(wk2) will not be this way...mark my words....
We are still in a gas situation. Tell me this, how was the public view of the 300? Pretty good. How was/is the resale of thr 300?
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I have no idea about the 300 and that's not my concern. To be honest....the 300 has 0 the following and history of the grand cherokee. I will also assume that the resale of the new 300 will also be better than that of it last generation. So I have no idea why u bring it up. All of the new redesigns have went upscale when it comes to quality,fit and finish. I expect all new models to have better resale as a whole. I have only formed that opinion after seeing many professionals suggest the same.
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Re: New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

Why I brought up the 300 is because the Grand Cherokee has just as much hype along with it as the 300 did when the 300 was 1st brought out back in late 2005. Now you see a 300 on every corner and also on every rental car lot, which brings me to my next point. With the Grand Cherokee starting at 30K and with the WK being the "in" car for the year rental car places are going to buy those cars up wait until they turn shitty then put them right in the used car market within a year or so thus making resell value go down. Also with the lease payments being so low that everybody (that want to lease) would be able to get them which would put more WKs in the used car lot in 3 years. Oh and then within 3-6 months for now, your going to see the rebates roll in for 1000-2000 off then around the 3rd quarter when Dealerships are trying to move the 2011 for the new 2012 models your going to see even deeper rebates. That is why I would never pay $40K+ for a new Jeep unless its an SRT model since it will regain its value over time, or if I'm rich, or if I'm not paying for the car note. But until one of those 3 things happen, I'm not going to pay for a car that in 2 years would be half its price.

You can't base quality on a car that has only been out for 6 months or so. When a few of those WKs get a little bit older (in miles or years or both) then you can start talking about quality. People that has 10K miles on the car without a hitch can not be used to base quality at all.
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Re: New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

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Why I brought up the 300 is because the Grand Cherokee has just as much hype along with it as the 300 did when the 300 was 1st brought out back in late 2005. Now you see a 300 on every corner and also on every rental car lot, which brings me to my next point. With the Grand Cherokee starting at 30K and with the WK being the "in" car for the year rental car places are going to buy those cars up wait until they turn shitty then put them right in the used car market within a year or so thus making resell value go down. Also with the lease payments being so low that everybody (that want to lease) would be able to get them which would put more WKs in the used car lot in 3 years. Oh and then within 3-6 months for now, your going to see the rebates roll in for 1000-2000 off then around the 3rd quarter when Dealerships are trying to move the 2011 for the new 2012 models your going to see even deeper rebates. That is why I would never pay $40K+ for a new Jeep unless its an SRT model since it will regain its value over time, or if I'm rich, or if I'm not paying for the car note. But until one of those 3 things happen, I'm not going to pay for a car that in 2 years would be half its price.

You can't base quality on a car that has only been out for 6 months or so. When a few of those WKs get a little bit older (in miles or years or both) then you can start talking about quality. People that has 10K miles on the car without a hitch can not be used to base quality at all.

Agreed, the tactile quality of the WK2 is obviously superior to previous models but longer term reliability (never a Chrysler strongpoint) remains to be seen. Historically Grands have poor resale value but I don't think that should dissuade them from moving up market. They already tried going the opposite way with Jeeps which is why we have the Compass and Patriot which haven't exactly been burning up dealers lots.

Even if this larger Jeep is a slow seller I don't think they can really lose too badly, since the developement work has already been done for the Durango and GC, and any company with an all SUV lineup has got to offer something with 3 rows...if not they are ignoring a still sizeable chunk of the market.
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really...all of this is a moot point becasue none of us know the future. I do know the rental car argument is really a moot point becasue ChryCo is/has cut sales of their best sellers to rental companies. Also...there are really NO good deals on the wk2 for lease. Thats been discussed here on the forum. I do think that prices of ALL SUV's took a price cut during the last gas "thing" and that could happen again...but its DEFINATELY not just Jeeps that will suffer.
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Re: New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

Replace the Commander with the Grand Waggy. GW has much more appeal and legacy goodwill.

Envision Jeep with the three-legged stool of a more than solid Wrangler, GC, and GW all with quality and LT reliability as the foundation, supported early by significant price-value. Cull the weakest links at the crossover end. Insert Pentastar, upgraded Hemi, new trannies, and a diesel or two.

Seems like one helluva strategy to me.
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I like the scrambler but i have to agree with the amount of chrome, make it plain and simple and i bet it will sell. I am a fan of the good old Comanche and it's very nice to see this thing coming along.
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