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New Grand Wagoneer and Jeep Pick-Up Confirmed

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#10 ·
That scrambler screams h3 (BARF)... I think a slightly more toned down, less chrome, it may have more appeal.

I cannot figure out why they would put money into another durango type vehicle. I respect the grand-to-durango, durango is larger more interior space, so the family and the single commuter is covered, now spending money to make the jeep equivalent of the durango???
 
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That scrambler screams h3 (BARF)... I think a slightly more toned down, less chrome, it may have more appeal.

I cannot figure out why they would put money into another durango type vehicle. I respect the grand-to-durango, durango is larger more interior space, so the family and the single commuter is covered, now spending money to make the jeep equivalent of the durango???
It makes sense because Jeep only sells SUVs but doesn't offer one with three rows and developement cost will be very low because the platform is already in place. It will surely canabalize some sales from the Durango but the average consumer probably won't even realize they are the same so they will both get cross shopped with explorers and acadias.

Chrysler needs the sales so increasing their footprint in this market with little added cost is a good move. Hopefully they learned from the mistakes of the Commander.
 
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I'm surprised they gave it the green light.. Just because of the economy.

Will be nice when it comes out!
 
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I will believe that the pick-up is coming out when I see it roll off the line. Jeep has been making this claim for years about a new pick-up......

The Wagoneer is going to be a flop. I can see it being a real full sized SUV (Tahoe sized) costing more than the WK and when people see their 50-55K Jeeps resale for 20K in 2 years then people would stop buying them. Plus we have already seen what can happen when you produce a larger car at the same cost of the WK. AND we also saw what happen to the Limiteds and Overlands on the 1st gen WKs.
 
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the resale of the wk is weak...becasue of the gas price situation a couple years ago and because of its poor public view. New Jeeps(wk2) will not be this way...mark my words....
 
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I have no idea about the 300 and that's not my concern. To be honest....the 300 has 0 the following and history of the grand cherokee. I will also assume that the resale of the new 300 will also be better than that of it last generation. So I have no idea why u bring it up. All of the new redesigns have went upscale when it comes to quality,fit and finish. I expect all new models to have better resale as a whole. I have only formed that opinion after seeing many professionals suggest the same.
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Why I brought up the 300 is because the Grand Cherokee has just as much hype along with it as the 300 did when the 300 was 1st brought out back in late 2005. Now you see a 300 on every corner and also on every rental car lot, which brings me to my next point. With the Grand Cherokee starting at 30K and with the WK being the "in" car for the year rental car places are going to buy those cars up wait until they turn shitty then put them right in the used car market within a year or so thus making resell value go down. Also with the lease payments being so low that everybody (that want to lease) would be able to get them which would put more WKs in the used car lot in 3 years. Oh and then within 3-6 months for now, your going to see the rebates roll in for 1000-2000 off then around the 3rd quarter when Dealerships are trying to move the 2011 for the new 2012 models your going to see even deeper rebates. That is why I would never pay $40K+ for a new Jeep unless its an SRT model since it will regain its value over time, or if I'm rich, or if I'm not paying for the car note. But until one of those 3 things happen, I'm not going to pay for a car that in 2 years would be half its price.

You can't base quality on a car that has only been out for 6 months or so. When a few of those WKs get a little bit older (in miles or years or both) then you can start talking about quality. People that has 10K miles on the car without a hitch can not be used to base quality at all.
 
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Why I brought up the 300 is because the Grand Cherokee has just as much hype along with it as the 300 did when the 300 was 1st brought out back in late 2005. Now you see a 300 on every corner and also on every rental car lot, which brings me to my next point. With the Grand Cherokee starting at 30K and with the WK being the "in" car for the year rental car places are going to buy those cars up wait until they turn shitty then put them right in the used car market within a year or so thus making resell value go down. Also with the lease payments being so low that everybody (that want to lease) would be able to get them which would put more WKs in the used car lot in 3 years. Oh and then within 3-6 months for now, your going to see the rebates roll in for 1000-2000 off then around the 3rd quarter when Dealerships are trying to move the 2011 for the new 2012 models your going to see even deeper rebates. That is why I would never pay $40K+ for a new Jeep unless its an SRT model since it will regain its value over time, or if I'm rich, or if I'm not paying for the car note. But until one of those 3 things happen, I'm not going to pay for a car that in 2 years would be half its price.

You can't base quality on a car that has only been out for 6 months or so. When a few of those WKs get a little bit older (in miles or years or both) then you can start talking about quality. People that has 10K miles on the car without a hitch can not be used to base quality at all.

Agreed, the tactile quality of the WK2 is obviously superior to previous models but longer term reliability (never a Chrysler strongpoint) remains to be seen. Historically Grands have poor resale value but I don't think that should dissuade them from moving up market. They already tried going the opposite way with Jeeps which is why we have the Compass and Patriot which haven't exactly been burning up dealers lots.

Even if this larger Jeep is a slow seller I don't think they can really lose too badly, since the developement work has already been done for the Durango and GC, and any company with an all SUV lineup has got to offer something with 3 rows...if not they are ignoring a still sizeable chunk of the market.
 
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really...all of this is a moot point becasue none of us know the future. I do know the rental car argument is really a moot point becasue ChryCo is/has cut sales of their best sellers to rental companies. Also...there are really NO good deals on the wk2 for lease. Thats been discussed here on the forum. I do think that prices of ALL SUV's took a price cut during the last gas "thing" and that could happen again...but its DEFINATELY not just Jeeps that will suffer.
 
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Replace the Commander with the Grand Waggy. GW has much more appeal and legacy goodwill.

Envision Jeep with the three-legged stool of a more than solid Wrangler, GC, and GW all with quality and LT reliability as the foundation, supported early by significant price-value. Cull the weakest links at the crossover end. Insert Pentastar, upgraded Hemi, new trannies, and a diesel or two.

Seems like one helluva strategy to me.
 
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I'd like to see the Scrambler with a Cummins :D


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