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Ok, you got to drive one. That is great for you( serious - not sarcastic ). I haven't nor have most people so I have to hold off praising it, other than based on what I see in pictures and on paper, and/or comparing it to vehicles out there. You clearly have opportunities others don't which is good for you.

You haven't been paying attention then if you think there have been no delays with the new Cherokees release. Been quite a few delays along the way announced( by Chrysler ). Ok the order banks are now open. Great. Have they finally fixed the programming issues with the new 9spd yet? The new Cherokees that have been built since production started up have been sitting idle waiting for software updates. There was a link about it posted here.

So until I actually see this vehicle show up on the showroom floors I will have some skepticism they really are ready to ship them. That's all.

Towing capacity is something you can compare yes. However, you can't claim the Cherokee is more durable at this time vs any vehicle. Unless you meant rugged not durable. Durable implies time tested and proven.
Durable was the word... General rule of thumb, Lambda platform at GM is very sloppy after a few years (5000 Pound towing capacity). JGC after a few years no rattles no unruley body flex 7200 Pound towing capacity (Durango I can also compare to Acadia/Enclave). I am comparing most of my lifes experiences between two brands I understand very well. I don't make my statements based on fluff. Towing capacities by engine and transmission are usually not the limiting factor anymore. The bodies just can't handle it.

So yes I am comparing some years of past experience with something that is unproven. But as I am basing it on factual differences of the base platforms, I will likely be very close. As the Cherokee is less expansive and appears to offer more PLUS a 9 speed transmission, I can still confidently say more capable.

As for the delays, I believe the last article about the transmission thing was proven incorrect. There is no restriction and the units are going to start production as scheduled. If you want to discuss delays, I have been waiting for yet another unproven product, my Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Diesel since January. A great product is worth the wait, and the tiny delay you refer to on the Cherokee is nothing but the normal manufacturing schedules that get changed with every manufacturer. The Transmission programming is no big deal, if you read the entire publicly available piece, they simply acknowledged there is some room for improvement.
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re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee KL - Features, Options & Pricing

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I'm hoping you can help clarify something on your first post. The size of the fuel tank is listed as 19 gal., but on the jeep "build and price" web site (after I print it out) says 15.8 gal. I'm hoping it's what you have here on post one.

My bad - your post says 17 gal. not 19 gal. - still same question
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:02 PM
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I'm hoping you can help clarify something on your first post. The size of the fuel tank is listed as 19 gal., but on the jeep "build and price" web site (after I print it out) says 15.8 gal. I'm hoping it's what you have here on post one.
Looks like it was changed from early pre-production specs. I have changed the post to show "15.8" - although the order guide states 15.8 and the newest spec sheet says 15.9.
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So it appears there will be Cherokees arriving at dealers in the next week or two (Currently shipping)...

Everyone will get the opportunity to try them out soon.
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So it appears there will be Cherokees arriving at dealers in the next week or two (Currently shipping)...

Everyone will get the opportunity to try them out soon.
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Durable was the word... General rule of thumb, Lambda platform at GM is very sloppy after a few years (5000 Pound towing capacity). JGC after a few years no rattles no unruley body flex 7200 Pound towing capacity (Durango I can also compare to Acadia/Enclave). I am comparing most of my lifes experiences between two brands I understand very well. I don't make my statements based on fluff. Towing capacities by engine and transmission are usually not the limiting factor anymore. The bodies just can't handle it.

So yes I am comparing some years of past experience with something that is unproven. But as I am basing it on factual differences of the base platforms, I will likely be very close. As the Cherokee is less expansive and appears to offer more PLUS a 9 speed transmission, I can still confidently say more capable.

As for the delays, I believe the last article about the transmission thing was proven incorrect. There is no restriction and the units are going to start production as scheduled. If you want to discuss delays, I have been waiting for yet another unproven product, my Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Diesel since January. A great product is worth the wait, and the tiny delay you refer to on the Cherokee is nothing but the normal manufacturing schedules that get changed with every manufacturer. The Transmission programming is no big deal, if you read the entire publicly available piece, they simply acknowledged there is some room for improvement.
We will just have to disagree then.
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We will just have to disagree then.
Really, on what, have you driven one as well and have a different opnion.

OR on the delays because they are shipping units presently so do you still think the transmission programming is holding them up?

Anyway, dealers will have them on the ground later this month. Go try one.
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Really, on what, have you driven one as well and have a different opnion.

OR on the delays because they are shipping units presently so do you still think the transmission programming is holding them up?

Anyway, dealers will have them on the ground later this month. Go try one.
Durability.

And you need to chill. Other people actually know a few things too ok. Wow.
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Durability.

And you need to chill. Other people actually know a few things too ok. Wow.
I realize that and I respect Many Many people here who know way more about many things than I do but I am not the one telling people that a "Constantly Variable Transmission" has 6 gears.... It is "Continuously Variable" there are no gears, it is more compariable to a centrifical clutch than a gear.

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CVT has 6 speeds/gears/whatever so shift = the change between them. I think you are being overly technical purposely. There is nothing wrong with how the CVT operates. It is actually smoother between gear changes than a traditional trans. You just have to adjust how you drive for optimal performance. Not a big deal.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am just not sure where you are getting the info that you have. I am not upset or uncalm about this in any way, and certainly other persons who questioned my comment on durability had really good reasons to and valid points to back that up. I am actually interested in why you do not believe a vehicle with higher capacities and ratings if used for the same purpose would not be more durable? I am wrong lots and I value good conversation on this so as I am a possible future buyer of this product, I want your opnion but I would like to know why you do not believe this to be so.

You stated you did not understand why people state the Cherokee is better than X vehicle and I have simply responded to the comments that you have made.

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I realize that and I respect Many Many people here who know way more about many things than I do but I am not the one telling people that a "Constantly Variable Transmission" has 6 gears.... It is "Continuously Variable" there are no gears, it is more compariable to a centrifical clutch than a gear.



Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am just not sure where you are getting the info that you have. I am not upset or uncalm about this in any way, and certainly other persons who questioned my comment on durability had really good reasons to and valid points to back that up. I am actually interested in why you do not believe a vehicle with higher capacities and ratings if used for the same purpose would not be more durable? I am wrong lots and I value good conversation on this so as I am a possible future buyer of this product, I want your opnion but I would like to know why you do not believe this to be so.

You stated you did not understand why people state the Cherokee is better than X vehicle and I have simply responded to the comments that you have made.

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Oh good lord.
OK, I gotta laugh at that..... and I did.

Here is my deal, I am not saying I know the whole vehicle is going to stand up forever, if I was you can call me an idiot feel free. I just am making an educated guess that the platform is better constructed (durable) than the Equinox or Terrain platform. This has been generally true of small vehicles with towing capacities well above thier curb weights. There is a far bit of stress tolerance engineering that goes into these vehicles that make that possible. I also have been seeing better longevity out of the CDJ lineup that some others these days... so I am recognising a trend.

If you have some reasons why you don't think they will be better, I am not going to shoot you down, I am just asking. Honestly!.... This is what the forum is about, discussion.
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OK, I gotta laugh at that..... and I did.

Here is my deal, I am not saying I know the whole vehicle is going to stand up forever, if I was you can call me an idiot feel free. I just am making an educated guess that the platform is better constructed (durable) than the Equinox or Terrain platform. This has been generally true of small vehicles with towing capacities well above thier curb weights. There is a far bit of stress tolerance engineering that goes into these vehicles that make that possible. I also have been seeing better longevity out of the CDJ lineup that some others these days... so I am recognising a trend.

If you have some reasons why you don't think they will be better, I am not going to shoot you down, I am just asking. Honestly!.... This is what the forum is about, discussion.
My issue is with you calling the new Cherokee durable. Durable implies longevity which I just don't feel anyone can comment on when the vehicle is so new they are not even on the street yet. Calling the new Cherokee durable is as bad as calling it reliable would be at this point.

If you want to call them rugged which would imply built using quality components and built to take abuse ok. Saying they are rugged simply comments on how they are built. Durable talks about how long they last and I am sorry but that is something no one can talk about yet.

Now, yes I am being picky and technical. It is pay back for your CVT lecture.

I have no reason to think the Cherokee won't be durable. I also have no reason to think it will be though either. Just no way to know. Way too early to know if Chrysler hit a home run or struck out?

I am very interested in the vehicle. Right now, baring any major issues that surface once they finally hit the streets, and assuming once I see one and drive it to make sure it fits me and my needs, it is the front runner to replace my Patriot in another 1-2 years from now.
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