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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

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It appears the switch was placed close to a large CAN bus connector under the console box and the EPS bus-communication wire plugs into that connector. The purpose of the switch is to interrupt the EPS communications while towing. They could possibly have run the switch's wires to the engine compartment, but that may have violated bus line length restrictions and also they would have needed to poke through the firewall and into an area exposed to moisture/dirt and probably figured why do that if not necessary.

The fuse is about switching 12V from the PDC to the EPS motor and system. That's why it's by the PDC. I'm going to splice a waterproof switch into that line like others have done to keep from having to pull/replace the fuse.
Good idea to have a switch for the fuse. Have you considered running the 12v switch wires to inside driver compartment near the other switch? (Many of us have already "poked thru" a grommet to run power for braking system etc. so running another wire would not be a big thing.)

It also would be a nice touch to put an LED into the above circuit as a double-check to verify power to the EPS system is on. Another 10-20ma draw shouldn't affect things much considering EPS load already there.

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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

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Good idea to have a switch for the fuse. Have you considered running the 12v switch wires to inside driver compartment near the other switch? (Many of us have already "poked thru" a grommet to run power for braking system etc. so running another wire would not be a big thing.)

It also would be a nice touch to put an LED into the above circuit as a double-check to verify power to the EPS system is on. Another 10-20ma draw shouldn't affect things much considering EPS load already there.
I did consider running the 12V switch to the interior. That's a good idea if using a 10 gauge wire as you suggested in another post, or a relay would be even better. In my case, I avoided punching through the firewall in the first place and I open the hood anyway to pull out the umbilical cord. Flipping a switch in the engine compartment is fine for me.

Definitely want an LED on the switch. Probably use this one: http://www.amazon.com/HOTSYSTEM-ON-O...ct_top?ie=UTF8
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I did consider running the 12V switch to the interior. That's a good idea if using a 10 gauge wire as you suggested in another post, or a relay would be even better. In my case, I avoided punching through the firewall in the first place and I open the hood anyway to pull out the umbilical cord. Flipping a switch in the engine compartment is fine for me.

Definitely want an LED on the switch. Probably use this one: http://www.amazon.com/HOTSYSTEM-ON-O...ct_top?ie=UTF8
Probably the easiest is a waterproof switch setting right next to the fuse in the engine comp't. By the way, is the fuseholder in the Jeep tow kit waterproof?

If controlling a relay in the engine comp't by a switch inside the car, consider the current draw of the coil when the relay is on, perhaps 50ma+... a bit more that the 10-20ma of the LED. A latching relay would not have any current draw except while it's actuating.
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... is the fuseholder in the Jeep tow kit waterproof?
Yes. It looks like this >> http://www.amazon.com/ In-Line Car Mini Blade Fuse Holder Waterproof.

In this post Severe shaking problem towing behind motorhome - Page 33 - 2014 - 2016 Jeep Cherokee Forums, I've got a picture of the fuse holder. You can see where they spliced in the fuse holder; where they strung it around a brake line. I'm going to break that splice and put the switch there. I'll zip tie the switch to the brake line.
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Yes. It looks like this >> http://www.amazon.com/ In-Line Car Mini Blade Fuse Holder Waterproof.

In this post Severe shaking problem towing behind motorhome - Page 33 - 2014 - 2016 Jeep Cherokee Forums, I've got a picture of the fuse holder. You can see where they spliced in the fuse holder; where they strung it around a brake line. I'm going to break that splice and put the switch there. I'll zip tie the switch to the brake line.
Now I remember seeing it. Same kind of fuse holder I have for the brakebuddy power line I put in.
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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

That TSB is just amazing for what is says and does not say. It does not say who covers the cost. More importantly, it seems to imply that they will only do something if you report you've had the wobble problem. But then the addition to the manual says don't tow without the kit.

Is that the way others read it?

I've read comments on two others forums that owners have been forced to pay for the kit and installation.

My kit is in and it is to be installed on June 8. I've just sent the service manager an email asking about the cost. If he says FCA covers it then they can go ahead and I'll have to pay for a wiring kit to supply power. I sure hope this is the answer.

If he says I have to cover it, then I'm not going to have it installed. I will then consult a lawyer about the advisability of a legal action. I he/she says I have a good chance of success then I'll go ahead (and the firm I'll be using has a lot of class action experience). If he/she advises that an action will be fruitless, then I have two choices. First is to pay to have the kit installed. Second is to get rid of the Cherokee. The second would mean getting a towable replacement, buying new baseplates, having them installed, etc. I'll go with the first alternative but this Cherokee and our 2014 Town & Country will then be the last FCA products we will ever own - which frankly is a shame.

I was also the "proud" owner of one of the 1980s Exec Driven Chryslers that had the odometer disconnected and was banged up in an accident. It was sold to me as a NEW car of course. The MSRP of the Cherokee was over $42k and the Town and Country $54k.

One can only take so much punishment.

We dumped Ford when we were quoted $6000 for a lube pump for our Escape (they did reduce it by $800 when I said "how much?"). Before Ford took over the program from REMCO for the Escape the cost was $1700. My first towed was a Colorado and second a Tahoe - both were faultless. Now I no longer have a 41 ft DP I can't tow a Tahoe.

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There is no charge for the harness or installation. However, you need to open a star case. Your dealer can do that for you. If your dealer is not aware of the harness, show them the latest TSB: http://www.wk2jeeps.com/Misc/Cheroke...08_029_16a.pdf.

The switch is installed in the console box between the USB port and 12V outlet.

The fuse holder is part of a wire that exits the left side of the PDC (Power Distribution Center) in the engine compartment.
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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

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That TSB is just amazing for what is says and does not say. It does not say who covers the cost. More importantly, it seems to imply that they will only do something if you report you've had the wobble problem. But then the addition to the manual says don't tow without the kit.

Is that the way others read it?

I've read comments on two others forums that owners have been forced to pay for the kit and installation.

My kit is in and it is to be installed on June 8. I've just sent the service manager an email asking about the cost. If he says FCA covers it then they can go ahead and I'll have to pay for a wiring kit to supply power. I sure hope this is the answer.

If he says I have to cover it, then I'm not going to have it installed. I will then consult a lawyer about the advisability of a legal action. I he/she says I have a good chance of success then I'll go ahead (and the firm I'll be using has a lot of class action experience). If he/she advises that an action will be fruitless, then I have two choices. First is to pay to have the kit installed. Second is to get rid of the Cherokee. The second would mean getting a towable replacement, buying new baseplates, having them installed, etc. I'll go with the first alternative but this Cherokee and our 2014 Town & Country will then be the last FCA products we will ever own - which frankly is a shame.

I was also the "proud" owner of one of the 1980s Exec Driven Chryslers that had the odometer disconnected and was banged up in an accident. It was sold to me as a NEW car of course. The MSRP of the Cherokee was over $42k and the Town and Country $54k.

One can only take so much punishment.

We dumped Ford when we were quoted $6000 for a lube pump for our Escape (they did reduce it by $800 when I said "how much?"). Before Ford took over the program from REMCO for the Escape the cost was $1700. My first towed was a Colorado and second a Tahoe - both were faultless. Now I no longer have a 41 ft DP I can't tow a Tahoe.
I incurred no cost when my wiring kit was installed last month. The Service Writer did ask if I experienced a wobble, and I told him "yes, a little, but then, I've only pulled it on flat roads so far, nothing rough".
I would suggest that anybody that has the two-speed transfer case get this harness installed, as some day, you might want to sell your Cherokee to somebody that is buying it to tow it. Without the harness already installed, the new owner will certainly incur a cost for the harness and the 1.2 flat-rate labor hours that FCA charges. Why make the car harder to sell simply for lack of something you can get at no cost now?
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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

It certainly should be no cost. Some of those who experienced the wobble had many miles of towing with no problem before it started.

Again, the manual is now clear and if you want to tow get the kit installed. To me, if they don't want to pay for it it is breach of contract. I bought this unit (and was very enthusiastic about it - thinking I'll be back to a transfer case again like my first two toads) and the dealer is well aware, so we could tow it behind our MH without any fuss muss or bother. I'll have to put up with the wiring kit and getting power from the MH to support the drain, but the wiring kit and installation has to be covered by FCA. I'm glad your was and I sure hope mine will be next week.

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I incurred no cost when my wiring kit was installed last month. The Service Writer did ask if I experienced a wobble, and I told him "yes, a little, but then, I've only pulled it on flat roads so far, nothing rough".
I would suggest that anybody that has the two-speed transfer case get this harness installed, as some day, you might want to sell your Cherokee to somebody that is buying it to tow it. Without the harness already installed, the new owner will certainly incur a cost for the harness and the 1.2 flat-rate labor hours that FCA charges. Why make the car harder to sell simply for lack of something you can get at no cost now?
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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

I agree that FCA should be installing the wiring kit at no charge to the customer, however that is not the way they are handling it. I was patiently trying to work through my dealer for the past two weeks to get the installation covered. The service manager claims to have spoken with his district office and warranty control, and was told this is not covered by FCA, and I would have to pay for the parts and installation, which is approximately $540.00.

I am also a member of another Cherokee forum that has a member using the screen name "JeepCares". That person's name is Kori, and her title is Jeep Social Care Specialist.

She has been successful in working with dealers to have the kit installed at no charge for other members of that forum that were originally told they would have to pay for it. She will be contacting my dealership Monday, 6/6/16, so I will know then for sure if she can have it covered for me.

I notice there is also a "JeepCares" member on this forum, but it is a different person as he signs his posts as Kevin T. I would suggest sending him a PM using information at the following location and see if he can help:

Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum - View Profile: JeepCares
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Re: 2014 Jeep Cherokee rv tow wobble

just for the heck of it check your air pressure in your tires on the jeep
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just for the heck of it check your air pressure in your tires on the jeep
If only it were that simple. Unfortunately the steering control module needs to be active while the vehicle is being towed. That's what this new wiring kit does. This also usually necessitates the addition of a 12V charge line from the motorhome to the Jeep.
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ok,thought we would get lucky.
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