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The problem is that car companies are swimming upstream in a river that is going the opposite way. Many companies in many industries have tried that and always fail in the long run.

And then there is the packaging. It irritates me me that Jeep forces you to buy the RA4 package if you want the 9 powered speakers + subwoofer package. So your speakers effectively cost $1,200.

Irritated customers search for other alternatives. I'll probably still buy the Cherokee, but I'm inclined to use a smartphone or tablet + nav software, or a hardware nav (like Garmin) instead of a pricey, car-specific nav which will go out of date quickly. And I'll be looking for better speakers elsewhere.

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I have a stick on Garmin with lifetime updates ,w/traffic and I have an "old school" RHR NAV system in my Durango. I use the Garmin only in rental cars.

Even with my now 3 year old maps there is not a single place I have not been able to find... so much that I haven't even bothered to load the free update Chrysler sent me (I typically visit 2 brand new clients per week). So in major city centers it really works well for me.

I don't disagree with the concept behind what you are saying and certainly point of interest data getting out of date is annoying. I don't usually suddenly decide I need something though once my trip is under way. I also agree with you that other portable technologies for maps are more up to date but here is the problem.....

I am driving in West Virginia in the mountains and I realize I need gas. The vehicle tells me how far I have to go.... interestingly enough I suddenly have no cellular coverage at all. Thank god my built in GPS has gas stations and they don't move very often. Maybe it is the wrong brand by the time I get there but they have fuel!

Your theory is completely correct once cellular providers offer 100% cellular coverage of every square inch of North America. Thankfully Jeep's system is capable of using both and it works fine for me that I don't have a GPS hanging in my view and wires draped across my dash. That of course would be the other option but the Bluetooth on the Garmins suck and it doesn't take voice commands. Cellular on the other hand simply does not have complete coverage.... delete the areas from the map that don't have 100% reliable coverage and then compare to the out of date built in maps. My Prior 2009 ML320 won every time.

Anyway, I get where you are coming from and yes I know where it is going but I still way rather have it built in. If you rather use your cell phone that is cool too, whatever works best. As I always say, this is like the V8 V6 4cyl conversation, it is about personal taste, NOT which one is "better"
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I have a stick on Garmin with lifetime updates ,w/traffic and I have an "old school" RHR NAV system in my Durango. I use the Garmin only in rental cars.

Even with my now 3 year old maps there is not a single place I have not been able to find... so much that I haven't even bothered to load the free update Chrysler sent me (I typically visit 2 brand new clients per week). So in major city centers it really works well for me.

I don't disagree with the concept behind what you are saying and certainly point of interest data getting out of date is annoying. I don't usually suddenly decide I need something though once my trip is under way. I also agree with you that other portable technologies for maps are more up to date but here is the problem.....

I am driving in West Virginia in the mountains and I realize I need gas. The vehicle tells me how far I have to go.... interestingly enough I suddenly have no cellular coverage at all. Thank god my built in GPS has gas stations and they don't move very often. Maybe it is the wrong brand by the time I get there but they have fuel!

Your theory is completely correct once cellular providers offer 100% cellular coverage of every square inch of North America. Thankfully Jeep's system is capable of using both and it works fine for me that I don't have a GPS hanging in my view and wires draped across my dash. That of course would be the other option but the Bluetooth on the Garmins suck and it doesn't take voice commands. Cellular on the other hand simply does not have complete coverage.... delete the areas from the map that don't have 100% reliable coverage and then compare to the out of date built in maps. My Prior 2009 ML320 won every time.

Anyway, I get where you are coming from and yes I know where it is going but I still way rather have it built in. If you rather use your cell phone that is cool too, whatever works best. As I always say, this is like the V8 V6 4cyl conversation, it is about personal taste, NOT which one is "better"
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I am curious about something??? I see that the 8.4 comes with an SD slot( media hub or something like that ). I wonder if I could run a Nav system( IGO8 )that is totally contained on an SD card in the 8.4 head unit? If so I wouldn't need to do the dealer upgrade. Curious if it would run and if it did would the voice commands work over the speakers?

HMMMM???? If I do get a Cherokee with the 8.4 it would be a Latitude most likely which only comes with the Nav ready 8.4. I think if I do that I will see if I can get it to run an IG8 Nav system off an SD card. Would just have to figure out the GPS antenna part.
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I am curious about something??? I see that the 8.4 comes with an SD slot( media hub or something like that ). I wonder if I could run a Nav system( IGO8 )that is totally contained on an SD card in the 8.4 head unit? If so I wouldn't need to do the dealer upgrade. Curious if it would run and if it did would the voice commands work over the speakers?

HMMMM???? If I do get a Cherokee with the 8.4 it would be a Latitude most likely which only comes with the Nav ready 8.4. I think if I do that I will see if I can get it to run an IG8 Nav system off an SD card. Would just have to figure out the GPS antenna part.
I am sorry to say I don't think that will work... It would need to run in native QNX vehicle OS and I don't think that is provisioned for.

The NAV updates will come via SD though.
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GPS on window keeps falling off, with the phone GPS miss turns when on the phone. The only way to go for me is built in, even with slow map updates the roads don't change that much.
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GPS on window keeps falling off, with the phone GPS miss turns when on the phone. The only way to go for me is built in, even with slow map updates the roads don't change that much.
I am going to send my long blow hard crap to you for rewrites, that is exactly what I wanted to say in two sentences!!!

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HNPATRIOT,

Obviously it is your right to make that choice. While I disagree with your choice, I respect your right to choose.

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Obviously it is your right to make that choice. While I disagree with your choice, I respect your right to choose.

Dan.
I am curious which system you do prefer to use? You mentioned a number of different systems, what is your preference.
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I have a stick on Garmin with lifetime updates ,w/traffic and I have an "old school" RHR NAV system in my Durango. I use the Garmin only in rental cars.

Even with my now 3 year old maps there is not a single place I have not been able to find... so much that I haven't even bothered to load the free update Chrysler sent me (I typically visit 2 brand new clients per week). So in major city centers it really works well for me.

I don't disagree with the concept behind what you are saying and certainly point of interest data getting out of date is annoying. I don't usually suddenly decide I need something though once my trip is under way. I also agree with you that other portable technologies for maps are more up to date but here is the problem.....

I am driving in West Virginia in the mountains and I realize I need gas. The vehicle tells me how far I have to go.... interestingly enough I suddenly have no cellular coverage at all. Thank god my built in GPS has gas stations and they don't move very often. Maybe it is the wrong brand by the time I get there but they have fuel!

Your theory is completely correct once cellular providers offer 100% cellular coverage of every square inch of North America. Thankfully Jeep's system is capable of using both and it works fine for me that I don't have a GPS hanging in my view and wires draped across my dash. That of course would be the other option but the Bluetooth on the Garmins suck and it doesn't take voice commands. Cellular on the other hand simply does not have complete coverage.... delete the areas from the map that don't have 100% reliable coverage and then compare to the out of date built in maps. My Prior 2009 ML320 won every time.

Anyway, I get where you are coming from and yes I know where it is going but I still way rather have it built in. If you rather use your cell phone that is cool too, whatever works best. As I always say, this is like the V8 V6 4cyl conversation, it is about personal taste, NOT which one is "better"
Willx,

First I respect your right to choose. If it works for you, that's fine by me.

That said, there are two errors here:

1. Good quality Android and iPhone apps like Navigon do NOT require cellular to work. This is a common fallacy. Yes, there are cheap solutions like Google maps that require cellular. The cheapies may work for some folks, but have never been on my radar screen.

As a test, I turned off Wifi and Cellular access in my iPhone, and started up Navigon. The GPS locked on to a satellite in a few seconds, had a good signal, and found my location sitting here in my kitchen. Then I scrolled over the location of my closest gas station. Yep, my Shell station showed up fine. Likewise a local bank and the closest Keg restaurant showed too.

This also applies to the Garmin hardware too. Neither require cellular access for GPS to work.

2. The latest Garmin GPSs DO offer voice command. Check out the Garmin nüvi® 3597LMTHD, dezl 760LMT, and RV 760LMT units. All of them accept voice command.

Again, my attitude is each to his own. Whatever works for you.

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First I respect your right to choose. If it works for you, that's fine by me.

That said, there are two errors here:

1. Good quality Android and iPhone apps like Navigon do NOT require cellular to work. This is a common fallacy. Yes, there are cheap solutions like Google maps that require cellular. The cheapies may work for some folks, but have never been on my radar screen.

As a test, I turned off Wifi and Cellular access in my iPhone, and started up Navigon. The GPS locked on to a satellite in a few seconds, had a good signal, and found my location sitting here in my kitchen. Then I scrolled over the location of my closest gas station. Yep, my Shell station showed up fine. Likewise a local bank and the closest Keg restaurant showed too.

This also applies to the Garmin hardware too. Neither require cellular access for GPS to work.

2. The latest Garmin GPSs DO offer voice command. Check out the Garmin nüvi® 3597LMTHD, dezl 760LMT, and RV 760LMT units. All of them accept voice command.

Again, my attitude is each to his own. Whatever works for you.

Regards,

Dan.

Hey as long as it works for you, that is great. As for Navigon, you are incorrect on the data thing. You need to download the maps and POI each time for each area you are in. If you travel outside that area it must download more information (I have an Android and an iPhone 5)

As I said, I use a Garmin, I just think your arguement about automotive manufacturers being wrong on the in car NAV doesn't have a case. I work for all kinds of brands and built in NAV is up 300 Percent this year alone. Also you wouldn't believe how pissed the Cadillac buyers are that you cannot add NAV to the CUE system if it doesn't have it.

So whatever up river swimming they are doing it seems to be selling better year over year. Until that doesn't happen, why would they change?

Edit: Also, you try the voice on a 3597 (or probably any NAV stuck to a window without an external mic) and see how well it works when it is raining.... as in not at all.
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I am curious which system you do prefer to use? You mentioned a number of different systems, what is your preference.
Willx,

Good question.

First, I was hoping that someone could should an error in my analysis of the built in Uconnect system's update process. In this case, I'm NOT happy about being right.

The options:

- iPhone or iPad with software. The biggest iPhone is too small. I wish there was a larger iPhone like the rumored iPhone 6 available now. Unfortunately that won't be available until next year. An iPad mini with GPS tethered to my iPhone might work, but they are pretty large for a car. Also this adds complexity which will increase the probability of failure.

- Garmin Garmin nüvi® 3597LMTHD or RV 760LMT. Since we are thinking about getting an RV, the 7" RV 760LMT would be the best alternative. That said, it's probably too large for my Audi A4 or a Jeep Cherokee (my future). I'm still trying to figure this out.

Ultimately, I'll probably go with one of the Garmins - probably the nüvi® 3597LMTHD for my car and then a RV 760LMT for the RV. After reviewing information from multiple resources, I believe that Garmin will be the best alternative for me.

One significant benefit of the Garmin ecosystem is that they already have an infrastructure for downloading the latest software and maps for your device over the internet. And their latest devices are designed to be updated from these downloads. In addition, customers can create custom points of interest and load them into their devices. Also, Garmin is aggressively moving forward on multiple fronts including integrating Garmin hardware products with smartphones and tablets.

What's nice about Garmin and their approach is that I can use the same download software and process to pull down the latest maps and software for multiple devices - RV, car, handheld, etc. And for at least some of the devices, use the same maps and maybe software. All of this should increase functionality and accuracy, and reduce hasslefactor.

Nothing will ever be perfect. It's all a balance of features and costs that match your individual needs, wants, and constraints. Each of us choose the right balance at a point of time. Who knows... In six months we might switch sides.

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