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Re: Are dealers ordering these?

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How many Jeep dealerships are there? With many reports a few weeks old of
12,000 made, perhaps we could guess that at least 15,000 are made and on the way, or about to be fixed, tested,then shipped. How many per dealer, on average?
They actually have started shipping some this morning to a test track in Detroit according to some 3rd shift employees at the Jeep plant. We've already had 5 people in this morning asking about them thinking they were coming here, but we're not supposed to see one for sale in Toledo until early next week. I still view this as good news, since they're at least thinking these will pass a road test, and hopefully we're down to the last 12 Days Before Christmas.
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:18 PM
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Re: Are dealers ordering these?

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They actually have started shipping some this morning to a test track in Detroit according to some 3rd shift employees at the Jeep plant. We've already had 5 people in this morning asking about them thinking they were coming here, but we're not supposed to see one for sale in Toledo until early next week. I still view this as good news, since they're at least thinking these will pass a road test, and hopefully we're down to the last 12 Days Before Christmas.
According to Allpar.com they ones that are being built now are going straight to shipping yards.
the ones getting flashed and tested get a 2 -3 test loop before getting signed off on.
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Re: Are dealers ordering these?

The moment we have been waiting for. I see we are all in the same spot ready for shipment. I know mine will be worth the wait. I wish you all the best as we all become new dad. I'm waiting for my baby.
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The moment we have been waiting for. I see we are all in the same spot ready for shipment. I know mine will be worth the wait. I wish you all the best as we all become new dad. I'm waiting for my baby.
The only problem you will have is the odometer will already be at 1000. when it gets to the dealer from all the testing...hehe
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:31 PM
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do you think they will provide some price concessions or any special warantees to inspire confidence given the contriversey with the trans and other issues ?

im suprised that they are doing TV commercials already with no vehicles in dealers yet
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Re: Are dealers ordering these?

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The only problem you will have is the odometer will already be at 1000. when it gets to the dealer from all the testing...hehe
No worries about that. Looks like those who ordered the V6 version were built, shipped to storage, then on a train out of Ohio within a week. Should be in our hands by next week!
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do you think they will provide some price concessions or any special warantees to inspire confidence given the contriversey with the trans and other issues ?

im suprised that they are doing TV commercials already with no vehicles in dealers yet
Probably not. You may get an extra oil change if you can convince your dealer to throw it in, but there's likely to only be 10-15 miles on the clock as opposed to the normal 2-3. The factory counter to a warranty concern is that the vehicle has been thoroughly tested and shipped correct from the factory. Whether it was a field fix to a known issue or a mid-production change, technically and legally it's not a fix or an issue because the vehicle hasn't even been delivered. It's still a pre-production unit.

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute and put my business manager's hat on so bear with me. This is also a preemptive "retort" as to the many reasons a lot of you may have as to why you think there should be a discount. It's a bitter pill, but I can almost promise any sales manager worth his salt will say no to anything other than an extra oil change. So here goes...

As anticipated as these vehicles are, the company knows they will sell a sold car if someone refuses an ordered unit so why as a business should they offer any more to entice you to buy something you've committed to buying months ago? Even though some of the most die-hard Jeep fanatics will say they will never buy one if they're not taken care of or given some outlandish warranty to ease their mind, why would the company do that? There is no substitute for a Jeep. There was never a guaranteed delivery date, only hearsay, and unless the unit is delivered with a know issue, it's not a problem as far as the factory is concerned. On top of that, if you're not 100% convinced that this is the best vehicle for your needs and wants but you still ordered one, your salesman sucks as a human for pushing you into it. Or, you're not convinced enough to buy one and are a "I'll wait til the second model year...." type. How many people bought original iPads or iPhones and suffered through the glitches and still kept buying them? 95% of the public knows nothing about these issues anyway, so why would we put a program out to discount a brand new model? A while back someone on this very thread was going on about the salesman who was talking about the transmission issues being the reason he couldn't show a demo stored in the DFW area. Why would the company publicly acknowledge the issue and expand the audience?
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Probably not. You may get an extra oil change if you can convince your dealer to throw it in, but there's likely to only be 10-15 miles on the clock as opposed to the normal 2-3. The factory counter to a warranty concern is that the vehicle has been thoroughly tested and shipped correct from the factory. Whether it was a field fix to a known issue or a mid-production change, technically and legally it's not a fix or an issue because the vehicle hasn't even been delivered. It's still a pre-production unit.

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute and put my business manager's hat on so bear with me. This is also a preemptive "retort" as to the many reasons a lot of you may have as to why you think there should be a discount. It's a bitter pill, but I can almost promise any sales manager worth his salt will say no to anything other than an extra oil change. So here goes...

As anticipated as these vehicles are, the company knows they will sell a sold car if someone refuses an ordered unit so why as a business should they offer any more to entice you to buy something you've committed to buying months ago? Even though some of the most die-hard Jeep fanatics will say they will never buy one if they're not taken care of or given some outlandish warranty to ease their mind, why would the company do that? There is no substitute for a Jeep. There was never a guaranteed delivery date, only hearsay, and unless the unit is delivered with a know issue, it's not a problem as far as the factory is concerned. On top of that, if you're not 100% convinced that this is the best vehicle for your needs and wants but you still ordered one, your salesman sucks as a human for pushing you into it. Or, you're not convinced enough to buy one and are a "I'll wait til the second model year...." type. How many people bought original iPads or iPhones and suffered through the glitches and still kept buying them? 95% of the public knows nothing about these issues anyway, so why would we put a program out to discount a brand new model? A while back someone on this very thread was going on about the salesman who was talking about the transmission issues being the reason he couldn't show a demo stored in the DFW area. Why would the company publicly acknowledge the issue and expand the audience?
These changes during production and updates are very common initially, regardless of manufacturer. This delay was longer than normal however delaying the delivery speaks to quality control and higher standards not anything anyone would discount over. In fact it probably cost them more to hold them all and fix them correctly before release.

So really just supporting the comments above.
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Re: Are dealers ordering these?

Supporting the comments above and don't anticipate any dealer discounts due to delayed shipment or pre-delivery repairs, BUT . . .

Chrysler has a big inventory problem on their hands. They've been building cars for like five months and every one of them is still on Chrysler's books. That's a huge backlog - 120-150 days sales? Combine the need to flush inventory and the need to regain cash flow and the ongoing expense and hassle of all the storage facilities they're using, and balance these against some consumer uncertainty about the problems and the normal reluctance to purchase a brand new and untested model, and I think you've got a good reason for the factory to provide some early-purchaser incentives.
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Supporting the comments above and don't anticipate any dealer discounts due to delayed shipment or pre-delivery repairs, BUT . . .

Chrysler has a big inventory problem on their hands. They've been building cars for like five months and every one of them is still on Chrysler's books. That's a huge backlog - 120-150 days sales? Combine the need to flush inventory and the need to regain cash flow and the ongoing expense and hassle of all the storage facilities they're using, and balance these against some consumer uncertainty about the problems and the normal reluctance to purchase a brand new and untested model, and I think you've got a good reason for the factory to provide some early-purchaser incentives.
Actually, there is not really a cash flow problem yet because of floorplanning and creative accounting. My dealership has an inventory 20% the size of the Cherokees on the ground. If we can swing 2200 units, Chrysler can handle 15,000. It's a secured interest free loan for at least 60 days.
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Actually, there is not really a cash flow problem yet because of floorplanning and creative accounting. My dealership has an inventory 20% the size of the Cherokees on the ground. If we can swing 2200 units, Chrysler can handle 15,000. It's a secured interest free loan for at least 60 days.
I don't know the business very well but I think we may be talking different things. If I understand your note, you're saying that the dealers don't have a cash flow problem. I agree completely.

However, the factory does have inventory and cash flow problems. They need to help you guys move cars quickly. The factory isn't offering any incentives on the Cherokee yet, but . . . .
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I don't know the business very well but I think we may be talking different things. If I understand your note, you're saying that the dealers don't have a cash flow problem. I agree completely.

However, the factory does have inventory and cash flow problems. They need to help you guys move cars quickly. The factory isn't offering any incentives on the Cherokee yet, but . . . .
I guess I may have veered and weaved through your post. Maybe bobbed, too. Yes, no one likes stale inventory, anywhere. As far as the inventory issues, there was actually a short term layoff because the suppliers couldn't keep up at first, and then to find "the fix." Everyone is running at 100% now, going to 24/6 in a few weeks. There is a nationwide backlog of 115,000 Wrangler orders right now to pick up the $$$ slack, and the President of Jeep expects to sell about 300,000 Cherokees in the first year. With his math, the current inventory amounts to less than a 30 day supply, about 5%. Honestly, I don't think anyone expects to get paid until a car is physically delivered to a customer though.

But you are correct that we need to move them to the lot to sell them. What I think you're maybe missing is that other than labor costs, (which are pretty much fixed for these accounting purposes,) Chrysler hasn't spent any of their own money other than R&D. The money they're spending belongs to the bank and interest is cheap. Like Willx said, it's more important to Sergio & Fiat to spend the money and fix it right before it gets to any detractor's hands to tear it apart. That damage could be irrepairable.

Most dealerships do have a cash flow problem that stems from poor managers, though. What makes us different is that we're truly a volume dealership with a good succession plan for management. 700+ every month for the past 18 years. I would say 800+, but 2008 was rough for T-town. Our rep is what allows us to carry so many units. We've been Toledo's best place to buy a car for the last 15 years according to Toledo news readers, at least, and #1 nationwide in truck sales 2011, 2012, & 2013 so far.
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