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Contemplating Purchasing a '15 KL TH

Hey everyone. The wife and I are contemplating picking up a new KL TH to replace our '10 JK later this summer when we start down the family making path. Need to get her into something safer and a little nicer for her to daily drive while still allowing me to take some trails and tow some junk. We're thinking about the Renegade TH as well, but its a little too small (not much bigger than my '12 Sonic HB), and the 2000lb towing isn't quite enough for me. Plus the optioned out Renegade TH is only a few thousand less than our ideal KL TH after rebates.

Anyways, I've heard a lot about the transmission issues and was wondering if they've been corrected for '15. I test drove a '15 last night and noticed the shifts were pretty coarse, but not unbearable. Transmissions seem to be living creatures in my experience, so maybe that would smooth out with a few miles on it. Are they utilizing 9th now?

One other question/concern: the panoramic sun roof... wife loves it, I'm whatever about it. I'm concerned about squeaking and leaking as it ages and have also noticed that at 5' 11", my head firmly hits the roof when sitting normally in the back seat due to the rails. This is very annoying as we frequently travel up north with adults in the back. What's everyone's feelings on the sunroof?

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Hey everyone. The wife and I are contemplating picking up a new KL TH to replace our '10 JK later this summer when we start down the family making path. Need to get her into something safer and a little nicer for her to daily drive while still allowing me to take some trails and tow some junk. We're thinking about the Renegade TH as well, but its a little too small (not much bigger than my '12 Sonic HB), and the 2000lb towing isn't quite enough for me. Plus the optioned out Renegade TH is only a few thousand less than our ideal KL TH after rebates.

Anyways, I've heard a lot about the transmission issues and was wondering if they've been corrected for '15. I test drove a '15 last night and noticed the shifts were pretty coarse, but not unbearable. Transmissions seem to be living creatures in my experience, so maybe that would smooth out with a few miles on it. Are they utilizing 9th now?

One other question/concern: the panoramic sun roof... wife loves it, I'm whatever about it. I'm concerned about squeaking and leaking as it ages and have also noticed that at 5' 11", my head firmly hits the roof when sitting normally in the back seat due to the rails. This is very annoying as we frequently travel up north with adults in the back. What's everyone's feelings on the sunroof?
I have a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L ADII, a November 2013 custom order build. I honestly think the transmission tales are a bunch of hogwash. I have never had a problem with my transmission nor have I ever had any of the TSBs or R01 done to my transmission and it shifts just fine. The only thing I had to do in the beginning was give it a couple of months to learn my driving habits. I think the transmission tales come from people who are not used to the way a Jeep rides and feels to drive. In particular those people who came from foreign vehicles seem to be uncomfortable with how the Jeep performs (you know, the Consumer Report types).

As to the sunroof, I have that and think you will definitely want that. It gives a whole new light and airy feeling to the interior while other wise it is kind of dark and dreary. So far I have had no problems with the sunroof either.

If you are the nervous Nelly type you might want to think about getting the the Lifetime Max Care service contract to alleviate your worries about either of those things or anything else for that matter.
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I have a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L ADII, a November 2013 custom order build. I honestly think the transmission tales are a bunch of hogwash. I have never had a problem with my transmission nor have I ever had any of the TSBs or R01 done to my transmission and it shifts just fine. The only thing I had to do in the beginning was give it a couple of months to learn my driving habits. I think the transmission tales come from people who are not used to the way a Jeep rides and feels to drive. In particular those people who came from foreign vehicles seem to be uncomfortable with how the Jeep performs (you know, the Consumer Report types).

As to the sunroof, I have that and think you will definitely want that. It gives a whole new light and airy feeling to the interior while other wise it is kind of dark and dreary. So far I have had no problems with the sunroof either.

If you are the nervous Nelly type you might want to think about getting the the Lifetime Max Care service contract to alleviate your worries about either of those things or anything else for that matter.
Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear you haven't had any issues with your transmission or sunroof.

Not a nelly by any stretch, just wanting to do the proper research before shelling out $35K.

Do you have any head room issues in the back seat with the sunroof rails?
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Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear you haven't had any issues with your transmission or sunroof.

Not a nelly by any stretch, just wanting to do the proper research before shelling out $35K.

Do you have any head room issues in the back seat with the sunroof rails?
My Jeep Cherokee stickered at just a few dollars shy of $40,000 so I understand your concerns. I can't really answer your head room question as I always have my backset down as I use my Cherokee like a covered pickup truck. Just a tip. Don't believe half or more of what you read in the Cherokee reviews. Drive it for yourself. Most rent a car companies have them now so you could rent one for a weekend or longer and run your own tests to make sure you will be happy with one.
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I came from a WK Hemi Grand Cherokee. Been a Jeep owner over 40 years. I love my KL (North/Latitude) and I have the 2.4! No issues, but the tranny works like nothing else I've driven. Takes some getting used to see the tach race on down shifts, Much like when you downshift with a manual, and you push in the clutch and give the throttle a little blip. I'm used to it now, and as stated, you have to give the tranny time to "learn" your driving style.
The ride quality, fit and finish and material quality are excellent. I was considering another Grand C, but the Cherokee is like a mini Grand Cherokee on the inside, and it's a lot less coin. Sunroof is a personal thing, this is the first four door Jeep I've had without one, and I don't miss it. I only have the AD1 4X4, but it was very impressive this past winter (over five feet of snow in my area).
That was with the stock F/S Destination LE2's, so a 'Hawk with AD2 and the Destination A/T's will have even more capability.
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Re: Contemplating Purchasing a '15 KL TH

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Hey everyone. The wife and I are contemplating picking up a new KL TH to replace our '10 JK later this summer when we start down the family making path. Need to get her into something safer and a little nicer for her to daily drive while still allowing me to take some trails and tow some junk. We're thinking about the Renegade TH as well, but its a little too small (not much bigger than my '12 Sonic HB), and the 2000lb towing isn't quite enough for me. Plus the optioned out Renegade TH is only a few thousand less than our ideal KL TH after rebates.

Anyways, I've heard a lot about the transmission issues and was wondering if they've been corrected for '15. I test drove a '15 last night and noticed the shifts were pretty coarse, but not unbearable. Transmissions seem to be living creatures in my experience, so maybe that would smooth out with a few miles on it. Are they utilizing 9th now?

One other question/concern: the panoramic sun roof... wife loves it, I'm whatever about it. I'm concerned about squeaking and leaking as it ages and have also noticed that at 5' 11", my head firmly hits the roof when sitting normally in the back seat due to the rails. This is very annoying as we frequently travel up north with adults in the back. What's everyone's feelings on the sunroof?
I would invite you to come and drive mine after Chrysler ruined it with their latest recall. They say ""there is no going back but they are working on it."
Yeah right! They shouldn't even sell one more until they are capable of giving us what we paid for. My 2015 Trailhawk was an excellent performer until I did the last software recall. NOw the car is a sluggish pig that is always in the wrong gear. If I'd have known they were going to do this to it, I'd have saved $10,000 and bought a Subaru Outback. Even the basic four cyl Outback outperforms my V6 Trailhawk now.
Save yourself some misery and google 2014-2015 cherokee transmission problems. They are all over the internet and the worst part is, after two months of trying to get this mess fixed, all I get is deception and lies.
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Hey everyone. The wife and I are contemplating picking up a new KL TH to replace our '10 JK later this summer when we start down the family making path. Need to get her into something safer and a little nicer for her to daily drive while still allowing me to take some trails and tow some junk. We're thinking about the Renegade TH as well, but its a little too small (not much bigger than my '12 Sonic HB), and the 2000lb towing isn't quite enough for me. Plus the optioned out Renegade TH is only a few thousand less than our ideal KL TH after rebates.

Anyways, I've heard a lot about the transmission issues and was wondering if they've been corrected for '15. I test drove a '15 last night and noticed the shifts were pretty coarse, but not unbearable. Transmissions seem to be living creatures in my experience, so maybe that would smooth out with a few miles on it. Are they utilizing 9th now?

One other question/concern: the panoramic sun roof... wife loves it, I'm whatever about it. I'm concerned about squeaking and leaking as it ages and have also noticed that at 5' 11", my head firmly hits the roof when sitting normally in the back seat due to the rails. This is very annoying as we frequently travel up north with adults in the back. What's everyone's feelings on the sunroof?
The back seat do move up and back like the fronts so try moving them all the way back to see if that helps and make dam sure you get the V6 motor. IMO i would wait for the 2016 as the tranny issues should be worked out by then and there suppose to have direct port injection for the gas into the engine and that should bring better mpg and more hp.
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"I have a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L ADII, a November 2013 custom order build. I honestly think the transmission tales are a bunch of hogwash. I have never had a problem with my transmission nor have I ever had any of the TSBs or R01 done to my transmission and it shifts just fine. "

And herein lies one of the biggest problems. We have posters like this guy that thinks all unhappy cherokee customers are just making it up just because his transmission hasn't gone out yet. I actually wondered the same for 11,500 miles when my Trailhawk was running tip top. But we are living in a time and place where lies are now easy to prove and that is what I am going to do.
I have been trying to get an appointment for 6 days at the dealer from who I purchased my Trailhawk. So far, I have just been stalled. The dealer who sold me has never looked at it yet as they are 200 miles away but I considered the possibility that my servicer did something wrong so I am willing to drive all the way to the original dealer to get a second opinion. So, I will give them another day to at least have the courtesy to call me and schedule an appointment like they promised and if not, I will be heading down there anyway, making a Youtube video all the way down so prospective buyers can see a Cherokee in action. I'm not sure if it will make it all the way but if it has to be towed the rest of the way, ill be sure to get it on video. This should end all the "He said, she said" confusion. I will be sure to get video of the adventure when one of these cherokees is in heavy traffic or tries to do something as simple as turn through an intersection.
If this is the "new normal" as the servicing dealer has told me, then they shouldn't mind some honest advertising.
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"I have a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L ADII, a November 2013 custom order build. I honestly think the transmission tales are a bunch of hogwash. I have never had a problem with my transmission nor have I ever had any of the TSBs or R01 done to my transmission and it shifts just fine. "

And herein lies one of the biggest problems. We have posters like this guy that thinks all unhappy cherokee customers are just making it up just because his transmission hasn't gone out yet. I actually wondered the same for 11,500 miles when my Trailhawk was running tip top. But we are living in a time and place where lies are now easy to prove and that is what I am going to do.
I have been trying to get an appointment for 6 days at the dealer from who I purchased my Trailhawk. So far, I have just been stalled. The dealer who sold me has never looked at it yet as they are 200 miles away but I considered the possibility that my servicer did something wrong so I am willing to drive all the way to the original dealer to get a second opinion. So, I will give them another day to at least have the courtesy to call me and schedule an appointment like they promised and if not, I will be heading down there anyway, making a Youtube video all the way down so prospective buyers can see a Cherokee in action. I'm not sure if it will make it all the way but if it has to be towed the rest of the way, ill be sure to get it on video. This should end all the "He said, she said" confusion. I will be sure to get video of the adventure when one of these cherokees is in heavy traffic or tries to do something as simple as turn through an intersection.
If this is the "new normal" as the servicing dealer has told me, then they shouldn't mind some honest advertising.
LOL, you did not prove that I lied but proved you made a mistake throwing flashes at your transmission. There is an old adage: If it is not broken, don't fix it. I took a short trip yesterday and my nearly 2 year old Cherokee ran and shifted perfectly. The difference between yours and mine is that I didn't have any of the flashes/TSBs done to mine. No, I don't think you are making it up that you are having problems and never said that. What I did say is that many people did not have problems until they started doing these flashes. I have also stated elsewhere what the real problem is with this transmission and that software is not going to fix it. Perhaps you might want to drop the attitude and ask your dealer to help you fix a problem that you made. After all the dealer only did the procedure that you asked him to. You have not proven a thing except that you have an attitude. My suggestion is that you calmly and politely ask the general manager or dealership owner to call their Chrysler dealer rep in. You need authorization for a new transmission. Once a transmission has been messed up with flashes the only real fix is replacing it. If you do get lucky enough to get your transmission replaced please leave the new one alone. Next time you want to attack someone please know what you are talking about first. I wish you well in getting your transmission straightened out to your satisfaction but just a tip in how to do that. My dad died over 30 years ago but left me with some good advice. You can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. In your case your dealership and Chrysler are the flies. Good Luck.
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I say go for it..................... but be sure you get one with the full Tech and safety group.


I had 12/11/13 build Limited with all options except sunroof and amplified speakers factory ordered.
I also have not had any issues with my transmission. In fact the first TSB was done last week on my Cherokee for the transmission. That was 21-18-14 from 5/15/14.
There are newer Transmission TSBs out there.
The dealer did that one as that was what showed up under the VIN. In fact he will not do any TSBs unless they show up under the VIN or it pertains to a particular issue I am having. His attitude with software updates is unless they are required by Chrysler or they pertain to an issue I am having, they do not have to be done. In fact they could cause problems for my vehicle since my AL is done and all is well.
I also believe that at some point you have to trust a dealer that they are doing right by your vehicle and you as a customer.
Going in and demanding a particular TSB because you read it on this forum is most likely not the best way to go. That is unless its falling under your VIN.
My conversation with my dealer a year ago about all these transmission updates was simple.
If not under my VIN/or I have issues they will not do them. If I demand that they do them they will but if issues develop there will be a problem with fixing the issues that TSB may create.
I have a 5/50 on the powertrain and I am covered for issues and software updates as needed. I also have a Max Care Lifetime on it so I will defer to the dealer what is best for my vehicle.


Also you need to remember that Forum members with issues will always drown out those with no issues. There are many that have no issues. It does not mean that some have not had horrible experiences. A lot goes into why it is.


The software is way ahead of where it was in 2014. The AL is much easier these days than back when I got mine. But as you mentioned AL is a living "ai" program and is continually adapting the ZF 9 speed to your driving.
It took several thousand miles before I saw 8th on the highway. Another thousand or so before 9th. Very rarely see 9th though.


Macfan might have been a bit strong in using "hogwash" as there have been issues with the earlier software that caused durability issues/failures with the ZF 9 speed.
Unfortunately these vehicles like mine could still be subject to issues or not because of the software. New / updated Cherokees have new software from day one and will avoid issues for the most part.
Honestly, reading this forum for well over a year Transmission complaints and the like have gone way down from what they were a year ago.
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atvman29, I agree with Jeepster910.....Go for it.

My loaded 2014 TH had some earlier tranny annoyances but they've generally smoothed out with the RO1 + AL time. I wouldn't even think about trading "across" for a Consumer Reports recommended compact SUV - they won't get me where I want to go in the way I want to get there with the fun I get from the TH and the stuff on it. The Cherokee TH is more than just a utility transport box for me.

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ATVman29....I have a 2014 TH with 14,898 miles on it with basically no problems other than the flashes as requested by Jeep (had one CEL/transmission service light at 7,000 miles) that the RO1 fixed. I ordered the vehicle and chose to not get the sunroof merely because I like the extra head room. My wife has the GC with the panorama roof and I must say it really opens up the car nicely. The couple of times I have opened the sunroof I have found the interior noise to be so bad I had to shut it right up. I just stopped by at my local jeep dealership that has been around for 65 years and leveled with the owner and the service manager and both said they have NOT had major issues with catastrophic transmission failures period. Yes, they are tired of the flashes and re-flashes due to a new car and new transmission but they have only replaced one Cherokee transmission since the vehicle was launched and they have sold 100's of them. 100,000/5 year drivetrain and the option to purchase the extended warranty should make you sleep better. Some of these very out spoken posters really make me wonder if they are real or what? I would love to call their dealer and get the real scoop. These forums are very dangerous with zero check and balance. Best of luck with your purchase.
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