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Re: Flat towing behind an RV

@grandriver125: Thanks for the info. Keep us apprised of your towing experiences.

My Dodge Dakota takes a lot more than 4 sec to shift out or in to neutral... when surroundings are quiet the shift can be heard. With every toad I've had, I always try to rollit a bit by hand; when on-the-flat I can usually push it back and lock at least one side of the towbar. Regardless of that I always have the DW watch it move the first few yards after double checking the hookup and signal lights.
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@grandriver125 - Thanks for all that good info!

Are you plugging your Brake Buddy into a factory 12V outlet? If so, is it live when the vehicle is turned off? Or do you leave the ignition set to Accessories On? Which 12V outlet are you using (e.g. on the console, in the armrest box)?
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...I did encounter a problem with my Brake Buddy installation. Basically it would not work because of the changed design of the accelerator pedal compared with our previous toads. In the past the clevis on the BB would fit right over the foot pad and around the brake arm very nicely. Not so with the Cherokee. The brake arm is wider (than the clevis opening) and the arm connects close to one side of the foot pad. When testing it the clevis would not stay on. My son widened the opening in the clevis so it would fit around the arm and suggested I also use a strong spring clamp to ensure it stays on...
The opening in the clevis is 1.25 inches. The prongs of the clevis are .5 inches wide and appear to be an aluminum alloy. What did you use to spread the prongs without breaking them, and how far did you have to spread them to get them to fit over the brake arm?
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@grandriver125: Thanks for the info. Keep us apprised of your towing experiences.

My Dodge Dakota takes a lot more than 4 sec to shift out or in to neutral... when surroundings are quiet the shift can be heard. With every toad I've had, I always try to rollit a bit by hand; when on-the-flat I can usually push it back and lock at least one side of the towbar. Regardless of that I always have the DW watch it move the first few yards after double checking the hookup and signal lights.
Today I did something similar. Our driveway is on a slope - enough so that we can't even run the fridge on propane or electricity for a day before departing. Today I backed the Cherokee up to the garage, followed the process to put the transfer case in Neutral, put the transmission in reverse gear as they state, and it rolled forward and I stopped it after about 10 ft - so I knew it was successfully in N. I then backed the MH up the drive to connect. So as we departed I felt comfortable that we were OK.

It has been years since I drove a military jeep (1950s). I seem to rememberer the process was much simpler. Put the manual transmission lever in neutral, put the transfer case lever in neutral, and that was it. Would be nice if it were that simple now. I explained the process to my wife this afternoon when we took it out of N. Her eyes glazed over and I knew I'd never ask her to handle this task.

OH, one other thing I did. I turned the easy exit feature off. We have it set to move the seat back when the engine is turned off and forward and up when the ignition is turned on. That will play hell with the Brake Buddy so on our list is a reminder to turn it off when towing.

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ps. My engineer son had a Dodge Dakota and he still praises it (it was 2WD though). He had it for about five years (company vehicle) and put over 150,000 miles on it and other than brake servicing and tires nothing else had to be done.
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@grandriver125: Can you hear the Cherokee shifting to and from neutral? It's not a loud noise on my Dakota... just audible if not too much background noise.
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The opening in the clevis is 1.25 inches. The prongs of the clevis are .5 inches wide and appear to be an aluminum alloy. What did you use to spread the prongs without breaking them, and how far did you have to spread them to get them to fit over the brake arm?
Widened it at the mouth to 1.5 inches. My son did the cutting on his metal band saw. Didn't appear to have any impact on the strength of the clevis.

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@grandriver125 - Thanks for all that good info!

Are you plugging your Brake Buddy into a factory 12V outlet? If so, is it live when the vehicle is turned off? Or do you leave the ignition set to Accessories On? Which 12V outlet are you using (e.g. on the console, in the armrest box)?
I'm using the outlet in the armrest box. No way I want to leave the ignition on with all the electrical stuff. Who knows what might be going on to suck the juice out of the battery. I did encounter a problem though and when I tried the two keyed outlets in the console and the back they exhibited the same issue. The plug was not stable and the power to the BB kept going on and off with even the slightest movement. My son took apart the plug and made an adjustment to the spring in it (there is also a fuse in the plug) and it now seems to hold solid. I was going to mention this earlier but figured it might be a problem confined to our BB that has been in use since 2004.

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@grandriver125: Can you hear the Cherokee shifting to and from neutral? It's not a loud noise on my Dakota... just audible if not too much background noise.
Interesting you should ask. A few weeks ago I decided that after 7 months with the Cherokee I should run through the process of selecting N in the transfer case. I could hear it - no question.

The past couple of days I've gone in and back out of N and haven't heard anything at all. When going into N and the light is flashing it is totally silent. Coming out surprised me but I'll listen more carefully next time.

Our Tahoe was pretty noisy coming out of N.

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Re: Flat towing behind an RV

Thanks to all who have posted comments on the baseplates they've used on their '14's.
Update on Towing Baseplates:
BlueOx tells me there is a "design change" for the 2015 Cherokee Trailhawk. Their representative was not sure what the change is but it is on the "spread sheet that contains the models that will require an new baseplate design".


Roadmaster rep. says she will "research and update".
updated 8/6: "Per Jeep the 2014 & 2015 Cherokee Trailhawks are the same. I will update our internal data base today and it should be posted on our website tomorrow. Brackets to use are 521446-4 & -5....
Demco "would want to see the vehicle first to make sure".

Hopefully I'll get a timely update from all.


Meanwhile, I received an email from Chrysler/Jeep:
"I am glad to read of your interest in Jeep.

According to our provided resources, the 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, factory equipped with the 9-SPD 948TE 4WD AUTO TRANS (DFJ) is standard factory equipped with the JEEP ACTIVE DRIVE II (DK4) which has a 2 SPEED PTU. The 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk is also standard factory equipped
with JEEP ACTIVE DRIVE LOCK (XX9).

The 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk Engines, Transmission and Transfer Case order codes in the factory order system are unchanged from the 2014 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk...."
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Meanwhile, I received an email from Chrysler/Jeep:
"I am glad to read of your interest in Jeep.

According to our provided resources, the 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, factory equipped with the 9-SPD 948TE 4WD AUTO TRANS (DFJ) is standard factory equipped with the JEEP ACTIVE DRIVE II (DK4) which has a 2 SPEED PTU. The 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk is also standard factory equipped
with JEEP ACTIVE DRIVE LOCK (XX9).

The 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk Engines, Transmission and Transfer Case order codes in the factory order system are unchanged from the 2014 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk...."
I assume you asked about:

RECREATIONAL TOWING (BEHIND MOTORHOME, ETC.)
Towing This Vehicle Behind Another Vehicle


And their response is to list the order codes included in the TH? IMO fnkychkn answered the question more directly.
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I assume you asked about:

RECREATIONAL TOWING (BEHIND MOTORHOME, ETC.)
Towing This Vehicle Behind Another Vehicle


And their response is to list the order codes included in the TH? IMO fnkychkn answered the question more directly.

Yes, And I'd like the see the next few pgs of that manual describing tow procedure.

I'm surprised you did not comment on the "According to our provided resources,..."

By the way I received a followup from Jeep this AM.
"Thank you for your reply.

There are no indications of any changes to the 2015 Jeep Cherokee that would not allow this vehicle to be Recreationally Towed (Flat Towed - all 4 wheels on the ground). The 2 speed transfer case with electronic neutral allows all axles to disconnect from the drivetrain to allow it to be flat towed.

There are no noted changes to the chassis or bumper area but you would have to verify with the manufacturer of the tow bar and base plate to be assured that this accessory is available for 2015 models. Roadmaster lists the same part number for 2014 and 2015 Jeep Cherokee.

The 2014 and 2015 Jeep Cherokee was designed as an ideal flat tow vehicle because of the electronic neutral and it's under 5,000 lb curb weight (3,679 - 4,106 lbs).

The electronic owner's manual for the 2015 Jeep Cherokee should be available online soon as these vehicles have just started production and the procedure for putting the transfer case in neutral should read the same. Please check back occasionally for the availability of the online manual at the following link:
Jeep Owners | Download an Owners Manual 2004 - 2011 | Jeep"

I checked and as of this AM there's no 2015 Owners manual available online yet although according to other threads here production has been ongoing for weeks. As to Roadmaster's listing, they informed me yesterday that they change the listing since Jeep had told them the same as they told me.

Keep us apprised of your experiences with your '15 Limited... Yours'll definitely come in sooner that mine (ordered yesterday).

By the way, which baseplate manfacturer are you thinking of using?
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I'm using the outlet in the armrest box. No way I want to leave the ignition on with all the electrical stuff. Who knows what might be going on to suck the juice out of the battery. I did encounter a problem though and when I tried the two keyed outlets in the console and the back they exhibited the same issue. The plug was not stable and the power to the BB kept going on and off with even the slightest movement. My son took apart the plug and made an adjustment to the spring in it (there is also a fuse in the plug) and it now seems to hold solid. I was going to mention this earlier but figured it might be a problem confined to our BB that has been in use since 2004.

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Brakebuddy recommends using a separately wired, dedicated outlet for powering their unit. One advantage is that you are in control of the wire gauge and location of the outlet. I've done this on a few previous toads.
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