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How's the 15 Cherokee and what's expected for 16?

Hi everyone!
I owned a 95 Wrangler for a LONG time! I love my Jeep, though I had to trade her in and went for a VW. The gas mileage (not diesel) is great compared to my Wrangler. How's the Cherokee? I miss driving higher above sedans, the extra room, cheaper parts and reliability.

Are Jeep's just as reliable as my 95? I only had to ditch it due to bad rust.

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I owned a 95 Wrangler for a LONG time! I love my Jeep, though I had to trade her in and went for a VW. The gas mileage (not diesel) is great compared to my Wrangler. How's the Cherokee? I miss driving higher above sedans, the extra room, cheaper parts and reliability.

Are Jeep's just as reliable as my 95? I only had to ditch it due to bad rust.
Well so far they hold up at the drag strip.
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So far the '14 Trailhawk is a competent off road vehicle, and holds up. It's NOT ready for the real aggressive trails that you may have traversed in your Wrangler.

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Just took delivery of my 2015 Trail Hawk and 400 miles in its awesome. regular gas not premium for a start.
Oh did I mention in traded in a Vw Tiguan and still own a Taoureg TDi. I am done with VW and the never ending land of check engine lights and getting ripped off at the dealer. They nail you for a diagnosis fee of $173 once your out of warrantee.
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Jeep $7 oil change for life of ownership not $153 for aTDi VW change !!! And then they don't install the drain plug correctly and it pukes on your paver driveway !!!! Then they hand you a can of Gunk. DONE with VW.

Here's a good one how about $1,800 for a brake job on a Taoureg ! Yikes. they don't tell you that when you buy.

I have a 2001 Cherokee and it led me to this Jeep decision. Fingers crossed.
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Just took delivery of my 2015 Trail Hawk and 400 miles in its awesome. regular gas not premium for a start.
Oh did I mention in traded in a Vw Tiguan and still own a Taoureg TDi. I am done with VW and the never ending land of check engine lights and getting ripped off at the dealer. They nail you for a diagnosis fee of $173 once your out of warrantee.
Jeep free diagnosis for life of ownership
Jeep $7 oil change for life of ownership not $153 for aTDi VW change !!! And then they don't install the drain plug correctly and it pukes on your paver driveway !!!! Then they hand you a can of Gunk. DONE with VW.

Here's a good one how about $1,800 for a brake job on a Taoureg ! Yikes. they don't tell you that when you buy.

I have a 2001 Cherokee and it led me to this Jeep decision. Fingers crossed.

I hear your VW cries loud and clear!!! Congratulations on your new purchase. I'm trying to figure out how I can afford a new Jeep!!!
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Hi everyone!
I owned a 95 Wrangler for a LONG time! I love my Jeep, though I had to trade her in and went for a VW. The gas mileage (not diesel) is great compared to my Wrangler. How's the Cherokee? I miss driving higher above sedans, the extra room, cheaper parts and reliability.

Are Jeep's just as reliable as my 95? I only had to ditch it due to bad rust.
Had mine for 8 months and most of it has been Hell. I am now trying to trade my 2015 Trailhawk after it has never been fixed. The transmission shifts poorly and overheats every time that I take it on the beach. FCA pretended for 3 months that they were trying to fix it it and now tells me that the Trail Rated Trailhawk is not designed for the beach. "Trail Rated" unless there is sand on the trail. What a bad joke!
My service manager now says that even if he put a brand new tranny in the car that it would still overheat in sand yet they still have the gall to sell these lemons to other victims.
An independent mechanic proclaimed the transmission to be bad but FCA says "operating as intended." Go to Cargurus and look at all the complaints before you buy.
Tomorrow is my big decision, 4Runner or Outback 3.6r. I have tested them both and it looks like it will be a new Outback even though I will have to wait 10 weeks for one to be shipped. My 2005 Outback traveled the same beach for 6 years that my Cherokee fails on every single time.
BTW, go to Kelly Blue Book and you will be shocked how fast these Cherokees are going down. Mine has lost over $11,000 in the first 8 months. We are talking Yugo numbers here. Resale says it all.
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Had mine for 8 months and most of it has been Hell. I am now trying to trade my 2015 Trailhawk after it has never been fixed. The transmission shifts poorly and overheats every time that I take it on the beach. FCA pretended for 3 months that they were trying to fix it it and now tells me that the Trail Rated Trailhawk is not designed for the beach. "Trail Rated" unless there is sand on the trail. What a bad joke!
My service manager now says that even if he put a brand new tranny in the car that it would still overheat in sand yet they still have the gall to sell these lemons to other victims.
An independent mechanic proclaimed the transmission to be bad but FCA says "operating as intended." Go to Cargurus and look at all the complaints before you buy.
Tomorrow is my big decision, 4Runner or Outback 3.6r. I have tested them both and it looks like it will be a new Outback even though I will have to wait 10 weeks for one to be shipped. My 2005 Outback traveled the same beach for 6 years that my Cherokee fails on every single time.
BTW, go to Kelly Blue Book and you will be shocked how fast these Cherokees are going down. Mine has lost over $11,000 in the first 8 months. We are talking Yugo numbers here. Resale says it all.
Just so you know the above is one person's opinion. I have a 2014 Cherokee Limited, 3.2L, ADII custom ordered and delivered 11/13. It is close to 2 years old now and has been next to perfect. Pretty much the only thing it has seen the dealer for is oil changes and tire rotations. In spite of the bad transmission rap I have never had a flash or TSB down to it and it shifts perfectly. Before I am accused of being a Chrysler shill I am a retired public school teacher.
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Just so you know the above is one person's opinion. I have a 2014 Cherokee Limited, 3.2L, ADII custom ordered and delivered 11/13. It is close to 2 years old now and has been next to perfect. Pretty much the only thing it has seen the dealer for is oil changes and tire rotations. In spite of the bad transmission rap I have never had a flash or TSB down to it and it shifts perfectly. Before I am accused of being a Chrysler shill I am a retired public school teacher.
After watching this debacle for months now, it is apparent that the Trailhawks are exposing this flawed transmission at a faster rate than the commuters. Off road stress shows the weaknesses pretty quickly. Even worse, look how this corporation treats their customers after the problems are exposed. There are way too many websites now with people complaining and filing lawsuits for this problem to be isolated. Try this one for starters. Why are these cars not being fixed under even basic warranty?

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After watching this debacle for months now, it is apparent that the Trailhawks are exposing this flawed transmission at a faster rate than the commuters. Off road stress shows the weaknesses pretty quickly. Even worse, look how this corporation treats their customers after the problems are exposed. There are way too many websites now with people complaining and filing lawsuits for this problem to be isolated. Try this one for starters. Why are these cars not being fixed under even basic warranty?

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You will always be able to find internet sites, postings, and blogs to support your cause. Kind of like the old commercial if it is on the internet it has to be true (NOT). As respectfully as I can say this I think your problem is that you did not do your research before you bought your TrailHawk Cherokee. The Cherokee is basically an upgraded Dodge Dart. Many of the parts are interchangeable between the Cherokee and the Dart. I don't believe it was ever intended to be a dune buggy. Your situation is kind of like the guy who goes to the doctor and says it really hurts when I bend my fingers backwards, what should I do. The doctor chuckles and says don't bend your fingers backwards. Sounds like your situation. Your transmission overheats when you abuse it when driving on beach sand. What should you do? Don't abuse it and try to use a car as a dune buggy. While the Cherokee will handle a sandy road very well it was never intended to be a dune buggy. I bought my Cherokee primarily to handle the severe Michigan winters and it does that very well. It probably will never go on and off road course but I did have a recent good experience with it. The road in front of my condo was replaced and for a couple of days after they took the old road out we had to drive on the base of rocks, sand, and dirt. The Cherokee handled that great and that was the kind of thing it was designed for. I did my research before I bought it and knew its capabilities and limitations. My brother has a Wrangler and I know it has capabilities my Cherokee does not have. I made a decision/trade off with my Cherokee to have minor off road capabilities and not get my teeth jarred out every time I drive to the store or doctor vs. a full all out off road vehicle like the Wrangler. As we have discussed before the way Chrysler and your dealer treats you has a lot to do with your attitude. While I have had my problems with both my dealer and Chrysler I found both to be much more reasonable when you calm down and act civil.
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You will always be able to find internet sites, postings, and blogs to support your cause. Kind of like the old commercial if it is on the internet it has to be true (NOT). As respectfully as I can say this I think your problem is that you did not do your research before you bought your TrailHawk Cherokee. The Cherokee is basically an upgraded Dodge Dart. Many of the parts are interchangeable between the Cherokee and the Dart. I don't believe it was ever intended to be a dune buggy. Your situation is kind of like the guy who goes to the doctor and says it really hurts when I bend my fingers backwards, what should I do. The doctor chuckles and says don't bend your fingers backwards. Sounds like your situation. Your transmission overheats when you abuse it when driving on beach sand. What should you do? Don't abuse it and try to use a car as a dune buggy. While the Cherokee will handle a sandy road very well it was never intended to be a dune buggy. I bought my Cherokee primarily to handle the severe Michigan winters and it does that very well. It probably will never go on and off road course but I did have a recent good experience with it. The road in front of my condo was replaced and for a couple of days after they took the old road out we had to drive on the base of rocks, sand, and dirt. The Cherokee handled that great and that was the kind of thing it was designed for. I did my research before I bought it and knew its capabilities and limitations. My brother has a Wrangler and I know it has capabilities my Cherokee does not have. I made a decision/trade off with my Cherokee to have minor off road capabilities and not get my teeth jarred out every time I drive to the store or doctor vs. a full all out off road vehicle like the Wrangler. As we have discussed before the way Chrysler and your dealer treats you has a lot to do with your attitude. While I have had my problems with both my dealer and Chrysler I found both to be much more reasonable when you calm down and act civil.
Then how do explain the fact that I have documents from 9 service appointments and 24 days of my car in the shop while they claimed to be working on the 4WD disabling problem? If what you say is possibly true, why would they waste everyone's time and money pretending to fix it? Several times they said it was fixed when it wasn't. They even changed the TCM although it made no difference.
If what you say is true, they would have simply said at the beginning that their "Trail Rated" vehicle was useless on the beach.
I did the research and still have emails from 3 different dealers telling me that this vehicle undoubtedly would go on the beach. For anyone reading this, ask the question to your local dealer. They are STILL telling people that they will go on the beach and that is fraud, pure and simple.
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Had mine for 8 months and most of it has been Hell. I am now trying to trade my 2015 Trailhawk after it has never been fixed. The transmission shifts poorly and overheats every time that I take it on the beach. FCA pretended for 3 months that they were trying to fix it it and now tells me that the Trail Rated Trailhawk is not designed for the beach. "Trail Rated" unless there is sand on the trail. What a bad joke!
My service manager now says that even if he put a brand new tranny in the car that it would still overheat in sand yet they still have the gall to sell these lemons to other victims.
Disheartening, especially since the brochure states:
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so apparently that's not entirely true, at least in your case....
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Disheartening, especially since the brochure states:
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Maximize low-speed traction by allowing additional wheel slip via specifically tuned chassis controls, differentials and transmission ratios that are geared to successfully tackle sand and mud.

so apparently that's not entirely true, at least in your case....
Sand is a tricky surface. It can be very hard - and easy to walk, bike and drive. OTOH, it can be very soft and extremely hard to walk, impossible to bike and very hard on a vehicle. I've hiked beaches with a 45# backpack, and it slammed my "personal transmission" in very short order.

Implying that the Jeep is "sand ready" is clearly marketing over-reach - and Jeep should be flogged for it. They need a lawyerly disclaimer that "Trail Rated" is NOT the same as a "Sand Rated" dune buggy.

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