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Recently, several Jeeps were stolen using notebook hackware, without physically breaking into anything. This San Diego, CA, newscast mentioned several late model Jeeps, including a Cherokee, were apparently stolen using this electronic digital break-in method.


Carjackers Are Getting Smarter, Finding Ways to Steal New High Tech Cars | NBC 7 San Diego

Anyone heard anything about firmware/software updates to protect us from these high-tech Jeep thieves? As reported in the news video, just a matter of time before some crook puts the theft app into a convenient smart phone form.

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Recently, several Jeeps were stolen using notebook hackware, without physically breaking into anything. This San Diego, CA, newscast mentioned several late model Jeeps, including a Cherokee, were apparently stolen using this electronic digital break-in method.


Carjackers Are Getting Smarter, Finding Ways to Steal New High Tech Cars | NBC 7 San Diego

Anyone heard anything about firmware/software updates to protect us from these high-tech Jeep thieves? As reported in the news video, just a matter of time before some crook puts the theft app into a convenient smart phone form.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

Hmm.. a 2010 wrangler should have a mechanical steering lock only able to be bypassed with a matching key. Didnt see him shove his laptop into the ignition..
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

Guessed someone got the model year wrong.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

just like the old days!

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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

Had one of those, many years ago. Forgot what happened to it.* Getting one of these actually crossed my mind, but using one would totally defeat the convenience of no-key security.



* - Just found my ole 'The Club' with both original keys collecting dust on the back of a shelf in the garage. Hmmm, may take it out of retirement.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

Allegedly the theft is done by listening for the unlock code from your fob.
Some claim that the thieves put small tracking devices on the vehicle that can be monitored with a laptop or smartphone that allow them to find the location at any time.
Of course just hacking the dmv for your address off your license plates is easily within the skills of the professional thieves.

Allegedly you can help avoid the cloning of your key by pressing the lock button multiple times every time you lock your car. Reliability of this unknown, but it was observed on one of the geek sites.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

When I first heard about thieves recording active FOB signal broadcasts, I totally quit pressing my FOB buttons to lock or open my vehicles. On my KL, I only either press the mounted lock button next to the window buttons or the small mounted gray button on the exterior door handles to lock doors and activate the anti-theft security system. Our FOB's RF chip feature passively allows us to unlock doors and turn on the ignition by just be being within the appropriate physical range of our Jeeps' RF chip readers.

I set my ole '99 Isuzu Vehicross Ironman to passively arm the anti-theft alarm whenever I turned off the ignition, so as to never broadcast the signal needed to turnoff its alarm and unlock its doors.

However, I suspect the notebook program somehow gleaned those Jeep RF identities and imitated their FOB's RF chip function when the notebook was within reading range of the doors or ignition. Least that is how it looked to me in the video. Never assume, but I am assuming our FOBs contain unique RF chips that our Jeeps are programmed to read. Further, I assume the thief got near the FOB at sometime to read its RF chip and record its unique identity.

Just had an idea, keep FOBs in a wallet or purse designed to prevent credit card chip info theft. Take out the FOB only when unlocking the doors and when driving. Plus, quit using FOB buttons, period. Think I may try putting my FOB in one of those wallets that I use and see if it prevents the FOB from unlocking the door when within range.


Emptied out that wallet, but the FOB was slightly too thick to fit inside.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

But all of this discussion is on how to open the door or bypass the security. What was the guy doing inside the vehicle with his laptop for 10 minutes and how did he bypass the mechanical steering lock is what I want to know. I dont believe even US Wranglers have the uConnect and keyless start, especially a 2010.
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What was the guy doing inside the vehicle with his laptop for 10 minutes...
He was chatting on social networks.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

Anything is possible with electronics. For every security measure there is a counter measure by-pass possible.
2010 wrangler is light years behind a Cherokee with push button start and computer integration in the Cherokee.

Also the actual start code I would imagine is different than the door and remote start code which works up to 300'. Unless your Chip is within a few feet of the ignition button the vehicle will not start or be able to move.
So I would assume that both codes would be needed especially the last one in order to drive off with the vehicle.
Possible yes. Probable no.

The other issue is reason to steal it. With all the parts computer controlled (software) with the manufacturer controlling the software a transmission etc is worthless without the software. Serial numbers do not match etc and a dealer visit is not what a thief wants when parts do not match the VIN.
Cloning a chip to operate the vehicle is a entirely different matter.
Possible yes. Probable no.

It is just makes the process of stealing the vehicle harder and harder for the thief.
It makes the availability of saleable parts less and less.
The newer the vehicle, 2010 Wrangler vs a 2014-2016 Cherokee, the harder it is.
It will always be possible though.
Same as the group that showed they could hack a Cherokee on the road.
Possible but the confluence of stuff that makes it possible makes it extremely unlikely.

One of the reasons Auto thefts are way down from years ago.
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Re: Jeeps stolen using notebook hackware

I saw another article on this and they say the theif was using Chrysler software to program a new key fob to match the original fob. That makes more sense but I didnt see a portable key cutting machine to bypass the mechanical steering lock!
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