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Hello Ladies & Gentleman.

I am new to the forum! I hope this is in the correct section!

I currently own a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo and am currently factory ordering a new 2017 Jeep Cherokee High Altitude.

I had a few questions as I wait for my vehicle to be built.

I full loaded the vehicle (except for the CD player and Wireless charger, which both seem overpriced and pointless IMO) and went with the V6.

-Do you think I got a good deal? The MSRP came out to $44,125, my price after taxes & incentives is $39,831. (does not include extra warranty cost)

-Did you buy the Mopar Max Care Lifetime Warranty? If so, do you think its worth it, and what did you pay? (Mine is quoted at $2,300)

-Has anyone had an issues with any of the features in the packages such as Forward Collision Braking, Lane Departure, Adaptive Cruise, Parking Assist, etc...?

-As I have not paid for the vehicle yet, only the $500 ordering fee (which is refunded when taking ownership), do you think I could get any freebies from Jeep or the Dealership? Anything standard that they usually give out?

-Anyone hear a difference in the 9 Speaker system vs the 6 Speaker system?

-How long do orders from Jeep Cherokees usually take from order to delivery?

-Do you think the HID lights are better then Halogen lights?

-After re-checking Jeeps website, the 2017 Jeep Cherokees High Altitude/Limited do not show the V6 as an option anymore, anyone know why?

Thanks in advance to answers! Much appreciated

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Price wise looks pretty good. Price on warranty looks good too.

Get the best radio you can afford.

Absolutely, the HIDs are much better.
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The lack of the v6 on the Jeep site for the Limited must be an error. The site is pretty poorly laid out. On Jeep Canada's site it's still an option for all the models.

The Max Care warranty is popular, but I've read in other forums that you can get it a bit cheaper, after taking ownership, from other places. It appears not to be available in Canada, which sucks. :-(

There was a great series of postings at jeepcherokeeclub.com about the speakers in both the 6- and 9-speaker systems. Basically, if speaker quality is something you care about, the actual speakers in both packages seem to be the same, and not all that good. Audiophiles have been routinely swapping speakers out on both packages. I have the 6-speaker system in my 2015, and it's okay. The subwoofer with the 9-speaker system takes away a bit more cargo space in the back.

The HID system in the Cherokee is great. Love mine. But from the factory they're aimed too high, so if you're not used to HIDs, expect to get flashed a lot. I live in the country, where headlights are critical at night, and it took a while to find the sweet spot that minimized flashing while maximizing range. You'll still get flashed no matter what you do, so get used to it.

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Price wise looks pretty good. Price on warranty looks good too.

Get the best radio you can afford.

Absolutely, the HIDs are much better.

Thanks for the reply!

I went fully loaded, with the 9 Speakers just because lol and the HID's came standard, but was just curious how much better they actually are over Halogens.

In any regard, I believe any lights will be better then what im currently used to using :P
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The lack of the v6 on the Jeep site for the Limited must be an error. The site is pretty poorly laid out. On Jeep Canada's site it's still an option for all the models.

The Max Care warranty is popular, but I've read in other forums that you can get it a bit cheaper, after taking ownership, from other places. It appears not to be available in Canada, which sucks. :-(

There was a great series of postings at jeepcherokeeclub.com about the speakers in both the 6- and 9-speaker systems. Basically, if speaker quality is something you care about, the actual speakers in both packages seem to be the same, and not all that good. Audiophiles have been routinely swapping speakers out on both packages. I have the 6-speaker system in my 2015, and it's okay. The subwoofer with the 9-speaker system takes away a bit more cargo space in the back.

The HID system in the Cherokee is great. Love mine. But from the factory they're aimed too high, so if you're not used to HIDs, expect to get flashed a lot. I live in the country, where headlights are critical at night, and it took a while to find the sweet spot that minimized flashing while maximizing range. You'll still get flashed no matter what you do, so get used to it.

Brad.

Thanks for the reply!

I figured the V6 option may of been a tech issue, as it was available when I purchased, just wanted to confirm to make sure I didint buy an engine that was recalled or anything of the sort.

The warranty, I have shopped around and seen a litle better prices, but have not fully understood if it only applies to certain dealerships, or if they are 100% legit, in any regard, I will either purchase it from my dealership or through Mopar themselves.

Right now, anything over my Infinity Gold system in my 94' Jeep will be an improvement lol. As the tweeters are shot, and the FM signal is moderate :P Still went with the 9 Speakers and woofer, just because.

THe HID's came standard on the vehicle, but I do understand getting lights flashed at me more lol. Ive seen quite a few what I assume to be HID lights that come at me, and that bright bluish/white light, is about blinding.

I see the IIHS is trying to remedy issues with light glare, I think I seen something about they want to see vehicles switch to LED lights instead, as they are more focused and less blinding?
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The 3.6 V6 is rated at 293 hp and my 3.2 V6 in my 2015 jeep cherokee is rated at 271 HP and your grand Cherokee is about 1000 lbs heaver so it may be short on power. Get the 5.7 hemi V8.
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So way back when I had my very first vehicle, a Toyota 4x4 (later to be called "Hilux") in '79, vehicles came with incandescent lights standard, almost always "sealed beams". Halogen lights were aftermarket only. I invested in Cebie replacement lights from a local rally shop. Halogen bulbs, but with the "Z-beam" pattern (later referred to as the "Euro" pattern), which was basically similar to the current HID pattern. A flat line across with a sweep upwards on the left side. I carefully aimed them low, but these were much brighter than the crap of the time.

And still, I was getting flashed. I could *see* the flat line of the pattern below peoples' field of view (much like I can with the HID now), so I knew with absolute certainty that, while bright, there was no "glare". I wasn't "blinding" people. I even tested, as I did with my HIDs, by swapping cars with people and driving towards my vehicle and seeing for myself what I looked like.

And yet then, as now, people still flashed. I was convinced then, as I am now, that people just didn't comprehend that the new technology *looked* brighter, so they assumed I was driving with my high-beams, and failed to comprehend & notice that, in fact, it wasn't "blinding" them at all.

Then, as now, if people just did a quick flash, I ignored them. If they did the more arrogant approach of just leaving their own high-beams on, then I'd turn my own on. They very quickly learned what blinding actually meant.
On the HiLux, once I was done with it, "high beams" meant the Cebie halogen high-beams, the Cebie rally lights on the push bars, and the *four* Cebie rally lights on the roof. I was young and less tolerant then. :-)

I'm watching the LED technology with interest. It's almost there, but if I was buying a car with LED lights, my test drive would have to include a night-time cruise down a dark country road. And I'm going to want to see a bit more data about the longevity of LEDs. Many of us remember when the first factory HIDs only lasted a couple of years, and were upwards of $800 to replace.

Anyway, I love the HID setup on my Cherokee. Once aimed properly, they're pretty much perfect. Way better than the crappy-ass design in my wife's 2014 Mazda3, which seem to have no sweet spot. Aimed low enough to minimize flashing, and the "range" is way too short. Basically at 80kph (50mph), you're over-driving them, which is just not acceptable.

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.... And still, I was getting flashed. I could *see* the flat line of the pattern below peoples' field of view (much like I can with the HID now), so I knew with absolute certainty that, while bright, there was no "glare". I wasn't "blinding" people. I even tested, as I did with my HIDs, by swapping cars with people and driving towards my vehicle and seeing for myself what I looked like.

And yet then, as now, people still flashed. I was convinced then, as I am now, that people just didn't comprehend that the new technology *looked* brighter, so they assumed I was driving with my high-beams, and failed to comprehend & notice that, in fact, it wasn't "blinding" them at all.

Then, as now, if people just did a quick flash, I ignored them. If they did the more arrogant approach of just leaving their own high-beams on, then I'd turn my own on. They very quickly learned what blinding actually meant....
I agree with your assessment on people's perception. My wife will say, "Oh, their brights are on, flash them.", which I don't because invariably it's due to them cresting a hill or something similar and the glare goes away when we level out.

I've seen the KL HIDs at night and they are not glaring. It's easy to spot the oncoming light configuration and color. Much of my driving at night is on hilly terrain and I always have the Auto High Beam feature turned on, so the lights are always on high. When an oncoming driver spots the high beams for a second, because that's how long it takes for the feature to switch them down, they know the high beams are no longer on. And that is why I don't get flashed anymore. Before I used the feature all the time, I did get flashed a couple times.
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The 3.6 V6 is rated at 293 hp and my 3.2 V6 in my 2015 jeep cherokee is rated at 271 HP and your grand Cherokee is about 1000 lbs heaver so it may be short on power. Get the 5.7 hemi V8.

The V6 thats in the 2017 Jeep Cherokee High Altitude is 3.2L V6 rated at 271hp.

The 4.0L 6 Cylinder in my 94' Jeep Grand Cherokee is rated at 190hp.

The Cherokee should be quicker than what my Grand Cherokee was. Especially when the Cherokee is lighter.

I couldnt go with the Hemi as that was not an option.
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So way back when I had my very first vehicle, a Toyota 4x4 (later to be called "Hilux") in '79, vehicles came with incandescent lights standard, almost always "sealed beams". Halogen lights were aftermarket only. I invested in Cebie replacement lights from a local rally shop. Halogen bulbs, but with the "Z-beam" pattern (later referred to as the "Euro" pattern), which was basically similar to the current HID pattern. A flat line across with a sweep upwards on the left side. I carefully aimed them low, but these were much brighter than the crap of the time.

And still, I was getting flashed. I could *see* the flat line of the pattern below peoples' field of view (much like I can with the HID now), so I knew with absolute certainty that, while bright, there was no "glare". I wasn't "blinding" people. I even tested, as I did with my HIDs, by swapping cars with people and driving towards my vehicle and seeing for myself what I looked like.

And yet then, as now, people still flashed. I was convinced then, as I am now, that people just didn't comprehend that the new technology *looked* brighter, so they assumed I was driving with my high-beams, and failed to comprehend & notice that, in fact, it wasn't "blinding" them at all.

Then, as now, if people just did a quick flash, I ignored them. If they did the more arrogant approach of just leaving their own high-beams on, then I'd turn my own on. They very quickly learned what blinding actually meant.
On the HiLux, once I was done with it, "high beams" meant the Cebie halogen high-beams, the Cebie rally lights on the push bars, and the *four* Cebie rally lights on the roof. I was young and less tolerant then. :-)

I'm watching the LED technology with interest. It's almost there, but if I was buying a car with LED lights, my test drive would have to include a night-time cruise down a dark country road. And I'm going to want to see a bit more data about the longevity of LEDs. Many of us remember when the first factory HIDs only lasted a couple of years, and were upwards of $800 to replace.

Anyway, I love the HID setup on my Cherokee. Once aimed properly, they're pretty much perfect. Way better than the crappy-ass design in my wife's 2014 Mazda3, which seem to have no sweet spot. Aimed low enough to minimize flashing, and the "range" is way too short. Basically at 80kph (50mph), you're over-driving them, which is just not acceptable.

Brad.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane

Great insight.

Honestly anything will be better then my current 94' headlights, with their hazed over housings.

The HID's come standard, which is nice. I know they will probably need to be adjusted as ive heard that from a few people already.

I would also like to see more study on LED lights as I drive alot of backroads with alot of deer around.
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I agree with your assessment on people's perception. My wife will say, "Oh, their brights are on, flash them.", which I don't because invariably it's due to them cresting a hill or something similar and the glare goes away when we level out.

I've seen the KL HIDs at night and they are not glaring. It's easy to spot the oncoming light configuration and color. Much of my driving at night is on hilly terrain and I always have the Auto High Beam feature turned on, so the lights are always on high. When an oncoming driver spots the high beams for a second, because that's how long it takes for the feature to switch them down, they know the high beams are no longer on. And that is why I don't get flashed anymore. Before I used the feature all the time, I did get flashed a couple times.

Now, as that feature is in my vehicle (auto high dimming), is it bad to leave the high beams on all the time?

I mean, I dont want to drive through town with my high beams on :P

Unless the vehicle can detect the street lighting and keep them dim through town.
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Now, as that feature is in my vehicle (auto high dimming), is it bad to leave the high beams on all the time?

I mean, I dont want to drive through town with my high beams on :P

Unless the vehicle can detect the street lighting and keep them dim through town.
I leave the high beams on all the time, which means the following:

- Auto High Beams feature is activated in the Uconnect programmable features settings
- Headlight switch is in the AUTO headlight position
- The multifunction lever is pushed toward front of vehicle to engage the high beam mode
- Turn off the feature by pulling the multifunction lever toward the rear of vehicle
- Flash to pass by pulling the multifunction lever toward you. This will turn on the high beams headlights until the lever is released. Return to Auto High Beam mode by pushing lever toward front of vehicle
- High beam control is managed through the use of a digital camera mounted on the inside rearview mirror. This camera detects vehicle specific light and automatically switches from high beams to low beams until the approaching
vehicle is out of view. It also reacts properly to tail lights.
- The system generally works better than I do in managing high beams
- City lights will not dim the high beams unless the system is fooled
- The Auto High Beams feature will not activate until the vehicle is at or above 15 mph (24 km/h)
- Switching between high and low beam does not involve the bulb but instead moves a shield
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