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Old 06-01-2013, 07:54 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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I just like being a smartass. Thanks for posting the info, it's helpful to have it posted w/o the link.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Gas is now 20 cents higher in price than diesel in parts of Michigan!
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:58 PM
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Gas is now 20 cents higher in price than diesel in parts of Michigan!
I have seen the Chevy Cruze Diesels showing up all over the place.... Apparently they leave the gas motor in the dust but I will go grab one and try it. Economies of scale my friends, you put a whole bunch more diesels on the road and you create a whole lot more competition.

Since you can go 600 or 700 miles in a diesel it makes it easier to pick out the cheaper stations and plan ahead a little. I honestly believe we will see a big change in the fuel market in the next few years.
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While I'm not a fan of fracking, I've read several analyst reports that have stated that the increased fracking will reduce the cost of diesel production and that prices are likely to drop as a result. Of course that's likely still a number of years off, but I keep vehicles for a very long time so I'm hoping it'll happen in the lifetime of my Jeep (as long as I'm able to keep my explorer alive long enough for the ecodiesel to be released).

Admittedly we're heading into the cheaper diesel time of year, but at a couple stations near me diesel is the same price as regular gas right now.

Come on ecodiesel!!
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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You'll take delivery on the diesel sometime in the next few years so you'll be able to get the cheaper diesel fuel.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:31 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

For now, sounds like production for the Ecodiesel will start in September with a August order date.
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One thing that the GC cannot do like the Cayenne is to go around curves fast without fear of overturning.
Can you name a single incident where this has happened?
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My neighbor has one. I think I'm going to see if he'll let me borrow it today. I'll report back with the results- hopefully not from a hospital bed or jail.
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This will probably get me in trouble but...

Google jeep grand cherokee moose test on you tube. Videos have had over a million hits.
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This will probably get me in trouble but...

Google jeep grand cherokee moose test on you tube. Videos have had over a million hits.
Thats that Swedish test video that people keep posting. I read somewhere that test was debunked but once something wrong goes up on YouTube it's there forever and it must be true it's on the web lol. Nothing to do with going around curves, it's a panic driving maneuver they make up called a Moose test.
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Good to hear about diesel prices. Around here in NJ is still running about price of mid grade gas.
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Google jeep grand cherokee moose test on you tube. Videos have had over a million hits.
I will chime in here.... My wife is Swedish and I spent a great deal of time researching that test. Biggest problem with the test is you are taking a human being and asking him to replicate a maneuver repeatedly in the same fashion.... This is of course impossible. He drives that Volvo XC all of the time, of course he is going to make that maneuver perfectly.

Now I will admit the vehicle should have done more to correct the behavior but even when it happened to be slightly over loaded it did not roll (key point). I know there have been some tweaks to the stability control system since this was tested and i would like to see the jeep do this test again (current unit with current loading standards)

The flip side of that is give me a Cayenne and a moose and I will get it to roll. These systems are created to reduce the chance of an accident and or the severity (read my crash mitigation thread). It will not stop a truly bad driver from getting into an accident. Now if it was a standardized test comparing two vehicles to the same swerve maneuver by using a machine to replicate the test than sure, let us rate the ability of the stability control system to respond to the same input. Google EURO NCAP Jeep Grand Cherokee and watch the actual test that defines the safety certifications (Euro zone approved)

So nothing against the swedes, it is an interesting test but other similar tests have failed much worse. Again I would like to see them test the current model..... Maybe Chrysler can push for that?

Oh and side note on the blown tires.... The were continentals, which we never used here and that my past Mercedes Dealer hated because they had all kinds of quality problems with.
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