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Old 08-21-2013, 06:08 PM
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A quick read while you are waiting for your diesel. I posted a comment (which may take a while to actually get posted) that a more fair comparison is the diesel vs the hemi - similar performance, a smaller price premium difference, and the diesel gets much better mpgs.
https://autoref.com/blog/are-diesels...014-breakdown/
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:23 PM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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"NOTE: Some aftermarket products may cause severe
engine/transmission and/or exhaust system damage.
Your vehicleís Powertrain Control Systems can detect
and store information about vehicle modifications that
increase horsepower and torque output such as whether
or not performance-enhancing powertrain components,
commonly referred to as downloaders, power boxes, or
performance chips have been used.
This information cannot be erased and will stay in the
systemís memory even if the modification is removed. This
information can be retrieved by Chrysler Group LLC, and
service and repair facilities, when servicing your vehicle.
This information may be used to determine if repair will be
covered by New Vehicle Limited Warranty."

GM cars have had the same thing in their manuals for years... and I have heard of them calling people out on it as well. One example is a Pontiac G8 GT that someone had. A tune + an engine problem coincided and he had a major fight on his hands. I think he ended up losing it too...

This is one of the bigger reasons why I would never tune a vehicle such as this. Maybe someday when the factory warranty runs out... but I still dont trust a small tuning company over the OEM manufacturer just quite yet. I'd have to be very impressed with their story on just how they managed to get higher power without sacrificing durability (EGT issues, etc), economy, or driveability.
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MOTS is a blessing and a curse. I look at it way too often.
Feel that pain. I am over here reading comments in a thread about Diesel JGCs just to keep me from checking on my 2014 Durango for the 100th time today
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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No break in period? Crazy!!!



Does it mean that these procedures are to be followed during what would be the normal the break in period, or even after?

Obviously some of them are good advice at all times, like waiting for the engine to warm up before putting it under load, but what about the last point? It would seem that while towing you need to constantly vary the throttle. That seems like it would get annoying when towing down a long straight level stretch of highway.
My Jetta Diesel had similar break-in procedures. I am curious what the reasons are. I don't plan to tow anytime soon or drive where it isn't flat, so I guess I'm OK.

Also, except with the cruise control how can one not vary the the throttle? Once you set the adaptive cruise control won't that vary the throttle automatically, assuming the car in front of you is not got cruise control on? If you live where it isn't flat even without adaptive cruise control your throttle will vary all the time.
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• Warm up the engine before placing it under load.
• Do not operate the engine at idle for prolonged periods.
I also like the way they said this. When are you at idle? When you're warming the engine.

How warm is warm? Wait until the heat works? Warm the engine before you move but don't warm it too much.

Why don't they say run your engine at idle for 5 to 10 minutes before driving during the first 1000 miles. Something specific.
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Why don't they say run your engine at idle for 5 to 10 minutes before driving during the first 1000 miles. Something specific.
May be due to a wide range of cold start conditions. It probably takes 20 minutes idling to move the temp gauge to normal operating range in extreme cold but only 5 minutes in warmer climates.

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May be due to a wide range of cold start conditions. It probably takes 20 minutes idling to move the temp gauge to normal operating range in extreme cold but only 5 minutes in warmer climates.

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Yes, good point, but they don't even tell you how warm; does the temperature need to be in the normal range to consider it warmed up?

I did see something else not related to break in. Under all circumstances they recommend idling after stopping for 1 to 5 minutes. Depending on circumstances.
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Personally, I like to think he's the guy from the Dos Equis commercials.
lol, ya know before you mentioned it, I had never seen any of those commercials, those are classic!
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Not really. The people who want ORAII but want to keep the 20" wheels want the skid plates (QDII is available as a separate option on the Overland), which the Summit does not have. The Summit also does not have tow hooks or a removable lower front fascia.
Not true. The summit with the 5.7 HEMI comes standard with QuadraDrive II (QD2)
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Not true. The summit with the 5.7 HEMI comes standard with QuadraDrive II (QD2)
Sorry, I wasn't very clear in that post. I meant the Summit only didn't have skid plates available (not that skid plates and QDII were unavailable), and was pointing out that you could get QDII on the Overland without ORAII. Sorry for the misunderstanding, my fault for bad wording.
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I also like the way they said this. When are you at idle? When you're warming the engine.

How warm is warm? Wait until the heat works? Warm the engine before you move but don't warm it too much.

Why don't they say run your engine at idle for 5 to 10 minutes before driving during the first 1000 miles. Something specific.
Pages 36 and 37 of the Diesel Supplemental Manual give more information on this. After reading that section I dont find it nearly as confusing.
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Sorry, I wasn't very clear in that post. I meant the Summit only didn't have skid plates available (not that skid plates and QDII were unavailable), and was pointing out that you could get QDII on the Overland without ORAII. Sorry for the misunderstanding, my fault for bad wording.
All good. I was just debating this one one in another thread so I wanted to clarify.
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