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Old 10-01-2013, 08:00 AM
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I still wonder how these diesels will sell to the general population, when it will cost $7500 more than a standard Limited (because you have to get the LUX package with the diesel). Now if they could do like Mercedes who sells the diesel GLK250 CHEAPER than the gas version, then they'd sell a bunch. It also doesn't help that diesel is around 60 cents higher than regular gas right now in my area. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
I wish I had a dollar for every time this analysis was made....

Here's the flaw in the comparison:

The diesel is a premium engine and has superior performance to the v6. It is comparable to the v8 and is only $1600 more and has much better economy.

A lower cost 4 cylinder diesel (like the GLK250 has) would have given the low end buyer the price/performance they seek.

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Old 10-01-2013, 08:03 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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I still wonder how these diesels will sell to the general population, when it will cost $7500 more than a standard Limited (because you have to get the LUX package with the diesel). Now if they could do like Mercedes who sells the diesel GLK250 CHEAPER than the gas version, then they'd sell a bunch. It also doesn't help that diesel is around 60 cents higher than regular gas right now in my area. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
The fact is I think they guessed correctly on the level of vehicle to build and that being the middle option of "Overland" was by far the most popular build. You do pay a premium to get Diesel but I don't think that will be the problem selling. The biggest problems people have with diesel by far is the misconceptions about smell, performance, noise and stuff like "Black Smoke". If Chrysler runs a good test drive promotion to get people in and driving them that will be the first step to people getting over it.

As for the economy of driving one, I used to say that the Mercedes ML320 Bluetec used to pay half of my car payment every month in savings from my Yukon. EPA economy ratings are very difficult to attain in GAS engines and super easy to outperform in diesel and that store will start to appear on the internet.

We have already forced the rest of this forum to listen to our Diesel bantering, and some people have been sucked in. Once people start driving these, that voice will become louder and broader.

Edit: Besides, as according to our Canadian friends (and others in the US) lots of dealers don't even know there is a CRD being built yet!!
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:05 AM
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I wish I had a dollar for every time this analysis was made.... Here's the flaw in the comparison: The diesel is a premium engine and has superior performance to the v6. It is comparable to the v8 and is only $1600 more and has much better economy. A lower cost 4 cylinder diesel (like the GLK250 has) would have given the low end buyer the price/performance they seek. bd
Agreed, but the majority are comparing it to the V6, and Jeep doesn't have a "low end" offering. I'm not saying people are making the proper comparison, and that is part of the problem. My wife loves her Jetta TDI, and while there was a small premium for the diesel, it was easily worth the money. That is part of the reason I wanted a diesel, because of our experience with her TDI. Note I said I "wanted", not that I justified the diesel. :-)
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:10 AM
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I wanted a Limited with LUX II anyway and because I tow a trailer, the Diesel seemed more logical compared to the Hemi due to the fuel economy and lack of lost power at altitude.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Finally: VOTS says this morning I went from production Scheduled to Paint.

MOTS has not caught up yet. There may be hope.

Date ordered: 08/28/2013
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D1 status date: 09/13/2013
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:50 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Finally: VOTS says this morning I went from production Scheduled to Paint.

MOTS has not caught up yet. There may be hope.

Date ordered: 08/28/2013
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D1 status date: 09/13/2013
Estimated delivery: 10/10/2013
Yup, me too. Looks like the mid September D1 batch will be joining the twilight zone too by the end of today
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:57 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

No they are doing the initial marketing of a limited asset properly: going after the "my other car is a Prius" crowd.

Once the first market is saturated though I expect to see it as an option on the Laredo for retirees who want to pull their home to a new place twice a year or for trucks that do real work. Not everyone needs or wants a panoramic sunroof & in Florida sunshine, cloth is a lot more comfortable than leather (why I have sheepskin covers in my Reattae).
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Really? I want a refund for all the credits given to businesses. Obviously they don't need politicians.
If you mean credits as in subsidies, then yes, you should, and they shouldn't need politicians except to make sure things are fair and just. However, it has gotten so many businesses looks to the government to an exemption, exclusion or subsidy.

Solindra...I know this one has been beaten to death, but if there was no government intervention, would it have ever existed?

GE...do you think GE has an interest in making sure that states have renewable energy portfolios considering they are one of the three largest manufacturers of wind turbines?

How about ethanol in gasoline? Diverting corn production to be used in fuel makes the price of corn rise. More corn means less acreage for wheat. It is good for farmers. Uber liberal Harkin and conservative Grasley both from Iowa both agree on this one.

I picked on energy, yeah. But there are other carve outs or subsidies with similar circumstances. Defense contractors. How about the plaintiffs bar. Most people seem to think some tort reform is in order, but yet it never happens. Railways sort of started us down this path over 100 years ago. Ironically, or all the western railways, the only one that didnt go bust was the one with no government subsidies, the great northern i believe.

Every time, it comes back to contributions and support to win that next election.

How about my dogs I got from a local dog breeder? Big carve outs and subsidies to them? Nope, but i still get licked everyday.

I dont think Steve Jobs was looking for big carve outs either. I guess one time he said something along the lines of 'I build/invent things people dont even know they want'

Now look in the produce department at the grocery store. Most items there dont have big carve outs or subsidies, but yet they are produced. As an apple grower, selfishly it would be great to mandate to everyone 'an apple a day' even if it is wrong. Instead, we have to take market signals and convert red delicious to honeycrisp at $30,000 an acre.

Sorry for the long rant, but if we cant tell billionaires "no, we dont have any more money left for that subsidy. you will just have to make sure you build it pretty darn well as to attract plenty of customers" then who can we tell?

So yes, ask for those subsidies and carve outs back.
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Diesels damn it!!! Not politics or government shutdown or any of that shit!

Please. Pretty please... with sugar on top.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:56 AM
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Diesels damn it!!! Not politics or government shutdown or any of that shit!

Please. Pretty please... with sugar on top.
Well said. I was making a joke earlier, and I should have known better than to open that can of worms - my bad. Lets keep this discussion limited to our skittle powered unicorns that are hovering in the twilight zone.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:59 AM
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Well said. I was making a joke earlier, and I should have known better than to open that can of worms - my bad. Lets keep this discussion limited to our skittle powered unicorns that are hovering in the twilight zone.
As unicorns are mythical creatures the twilight zone is probably where they live. We just need to entice them to come into the light...
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Diesels damn it!!! Not politics or government shutdown or any of that shit!
Well said, no politics on this thread. My blood boils enough watching GC's get stacked up in lots. Go somewhere else to say this stuff.
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