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Old 10-08-2013, 06:00 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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On the day that was signed and dated Willx said this:



He said this at 7:00AM Pacific time on the 3rd. The question is, is this part of the "one reason why they are not shipping." or one of the resolved reasons.

I am assuming, of course, this is / was one of the holdups.

Willx, I don't want you to think I am putting you on the spot; I'm just analyzing the available information.
Nope, no issues here, that is exactly what transpired that Day... and you are correct (past tenths)
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:24 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

At this point can anyone confirm that their ship date or estimated ship date is anywhere near correct?
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:27 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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At this point can anyone confirm that their ship date or estimated ship date is anywhere near correct?
Currently any ship dates, by Chrysler, are a shot in the dark.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Let's be blunt here:

There are hold ups. They were not expected. You can plan for a lot of things however sometimes even the best plans are laid to waste by things you can't control (eg, third parties). Look at the SkyActiv-D for an example of a very similar situation.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Note that as in my ps this is a "conditional" cert dependent of the manufacturer supplying more data within certain timelines else there is a $5000/car penalty. Each.

The OBD-II element is interesting since that is what is reported over the CAN bus to the connector under the dash. It must work mostly. Just as a side note there was one report that the engine needed reprogramming recently in Europe. The European OBD (EOBD) is similar to the US ODB-II standard. Mostly.

Exactly what the twelve discrepancies were is not in this paper and a quick Google search did not find. Does anyone have access to exactly what those discrepancies were ? It must be public record.

Slowly a picture is being painted of an engine that has issues that are now being rushed despite having years to fix. In the long run it might be cheaper for CJF to just buy certified diesels elsewhere for the '14 model year but imagine a few careers hang on this.

That said if the engine programming is anything like the service manual CD, I wish them luck but would suggest that in the future they hire a professional.

ps it is amazing what you find if you look: the GC diesel is evaled und the rules for a LDT4 (light duty truck class 4, the heaviest). To be rated LDT4 the average of the curb weight and the GVWR must be at least 5750 lbs. With a 6500 GVWR this means the curb weight must be at least 5000 lbs. Wonder if this is why no Laredo ?
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Re: 2014 diesel production

California actually had a surplus in their budget passed last summer. It's not fun paying for extra pollution conrols although the air is much cleaner in SoCal than it was 20 or 30 years ago.

I'm one of those people waiting for my ecodiesel that is stuck in final inspection.



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Yes, let's all contribute to Kalifornia...the most financially irresponsible state in the America. That affects Chrysler's bottom line which of course is passed on to all consumers. And, no, I really DON'T care if they are the 6th largest economy in the world. Broke is broke.

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Old 10-08-2013, 08:13 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

I understand JNAP's hesitation to say what they are holding all the diesels for. But it would be nice if they actually came out and said we are holding them and they will be released once we get resolution to the issue at hand.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:13 AM
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Note that as in my ps this is a "conditional" cert dependent of the manufacturer supplying more data within certain timelines else there is a $5000/car penalty. Each.

The OBD-II element is interesting since that is what is reported over the CAN bus to the connector under the dash. It must work mostly. Just as a side note there was one report that the engine needed reprogramming recently in Europe. The European OBD (EOBD) is similar to the US ODB-II standard. Mostly.

Exactly what the twelve discrepancies were is not in this paper and a quick Google search did not find. Does anyone have access to exactly what those discrepancies were ? It must be public record.

Slowly a picture is being painted of an engine that has issues that are now being rushed despite having years to fix. In the long run it might be cheaper for CJF to just buy certified diesels elsewhere for the '14 model year but imagine a few careers hang on this.

That said if the engine programming is anything like the service manual CD, I wish them luck but would suggest that in the future they hire a professional.
I can tell you 90% of the diesels shipping initially to California were all fined. They will allow the shipments today as long as you pay the fine for each vehicle.

If the deficiencies are public record, you should look up the ones for Mercedes, and VW.... I think they both initially were at a lot higher than 12 and continue to pay fines today.

I find it ironic actually considering that the new diesels are less harmful than the average gas engine produced today when you compare cancer causing agents etc. from emissions.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:45 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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I find it ironic actually considering that the new diesels are less harmful than the average gas engine produced today when you compare cancer causing agents etc. from emissions.
You have to think like a politician. Why use logic when rationalizations and knee jerk opinions are so much easier to come up with and fit into a sound bite so much better.

It's a shame that Jeep needs to sell to the California market. "Sorry, you can't buy our product, your states regulations are too ridiculous".
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Re: 2014 diesel production

True but my interest is not anyone else's diesel, it is the VM 3 liter TD. The reason I was curious about which OBD-II elements were missed was to compare them to the European requirements.

Of course it may be that there are certain parameters that CJF just does not want anyone with a SmartPhone and Torque reading but first I would look to the old saw "never attribute to evil genius what may be explained by simple stupidity".

To make that analysis, I need to know which OBD-II elements were wrong or missing. Not obsessing over it, more professional curiosity.

ps there have been cars before that were "not available in California" - and I have bought some (usually models with manual transmissions).

pps: epa.gov: "The federal government is currently shut down. The EPA website and social media channels will not be updated until the federal government reopens."
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Notice that the fines are for ODB2 compliance. This translates to "Your vehicles emissions are acceptable, but your electronic diagnostics don't fully support our emissions testing equipment, so pay up."

Its probably a ODB2 feature set only needed in gassers and all diesels have to "pay to play". Pure extortion.

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Currently any ship dates, by Chrysler, are a shot in the dark.
Could one consider these dates as "will not ship before" dates?

It's not looking like to me any JGC CRD's will make it to dealers before the end of the month..
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