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Old 10-08-2013, 08:48 PM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Sorry I missed sending you well-wishes earlier. I was away from JG for a little while, and then got tied up with recent posts.

But I'd like to also wish you the best of luck, though it sounds like you may not need it. Any woman willing to put up with you checking JG in the midst of wedding festivities is a definite keeper! Just make sure not to take advantage of her leniency!

You've helped keep my sanity during this process, so I thank you so much for all you do.

Willx congrats! I wanted to wish you good luck with you the best with your marriage once you returned in case you missed all of our wishes a few pages back.... clearly you are on top of things!
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:51 PM
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You are making a very strong case to stay out of CA. I would lose my mind dealing with the overbearing bureaucracy. I have several hotrods and I'd relocate before relenting to CA regulators.

My ODB2 compliance remark jibes with your explanation. They want their emissions diagnostic protocols 100% supported when nobody else requires it. They force the manufacturer to pay fines.

Thanks for your insight. I didn't realize how crazy it was out there.

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Re: 2014 diesel production

Low-Sulfur Diesel engines may be the right thing for the environment. http://spectrum.ieee.org/img/07elect...1667374925.jpg

Also, electric vehicles may not solve emissions problems: Unclean at Any Speed - IEEE Spectrum
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Sorry, I have bailed on the diesel. My dealer has one 4x4 JGC. It just happens to be the exact one I wanted except with the HEMI™ + a CD player and minus the Block heater. It's like I went back in time and ordered the HEMI™. If they ship next week, well, I have my LifeTime warranty to keep me warm at night.

Also, I went next door to tell my neighbor and my other neighbor was there as well having just filled his Diesel Mercedes with Gasoline; watch out for the color codes at Hess Green for Gas and Orange for Diesel. I have the feeling this was meant to be. I'll still be driving a diesel motorhome. And every time I stop for gas with half the range of the diesel I will not be happy.

I will still be hoping for you guys as I watch my car practically drive itself in heavy traffic next week. Already checked the sticker for the stop...
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:21 PM
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And to think, I was so close to leasing an Explorer Sport for 2 years last year. I would have been half way through my lease by now. But instead, I decided to wait a few months for the GC diesel. At this point, I'm still waiting. Putting the Outback up for sale this week. Trying to stay positive. The Outback does look nice with its fresh coat of wax, vacuumed interior and clean windows!
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They're actually trying to move OBD2 to the point where the vehicle monitors and records enough info that they no longer have to do dyno tests for smog compliance.
In Washington State, we don't do dyno tests, just OBD2 scan. If the car emissions system says you're OK, then you're good. The system is pretty easy to fool though. (1st hand experience).
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:27 AM
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Well gang, we just lost one (Commando) from the diesel group. From the sounds of it, most of us in here are close to our breaking points due to the frustration with Jeep and the constant delays and hold ups. Too much longer, and they won't have to worry about releasing them, because there won't be anybody to buy them. They have offended each and every one of us with the lack of information, lies, and delays. The only thing keeping me from canceling my order is that I have been waiting since last January, and I am hoping there is a light at the end of the tunnel. The problem is the tunnel keeps getting longer and longer. I wish someone from corporate Jeep would read this thread to realize how they are upsetting their loyal customers. The loyalty is starting to dwindle, and too much longer, and I (and from the sounds of it, a lot of others) will start to look elsewhere. I appreciate everything the working men and women at JNAP do for us, but the corporate big wigs can go suck an egg for all I care.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Unfortunately the JGC Diesel is the only vehicle that fills in a particular niche. If you want a 4x4 SUV with decent off road capability, technology, and diesel, there is only one vehicle sold in the US that fits the bill. So I wait.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

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Well gang, we just lost one (Commando) from the diesel group. From the sounds of it, most of us in here are close to our breaking points due to the frustration with Jeep and the constant delays and hold ups. Too much longer, and they won't have to worry about releasing them, because there won't be anybody to buy them. They have offended each and every one of us with the lack of information, lies, and delays. The only thing keeping me from canceling my order is that I have been waiting since last January, and I am hoping there is a light at the end of the tunnel. The problem is the tunnel keeps getting longer and longer. I wish someone from corporate Jeep would read this thread to realize how they are upsetting their loyal customers. The loyalty is starting to dwindle, and too much longer, and I (and from the sounds of it, a lot of others) will start to look elsewhere. I appreciate everything the working men and women at JNAP do for us, but the corporate big wigs can go suck an egg for all I care.

You didn't lose him. He just went with a HEMI GC instead. I think losing him would be if he went to another brand. I think Chrysler would be just as happy selling someone a HEMI model, maybe even more so after paying all the fines for the Diesel.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:22 AM
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You didn't lose him. He just went with a HEMI GC instead. I think losing him would be if he went to another brand. I think Chrysler would be just as happy selling someone a HEMI model, maybe even more so after paying all the fines for the Diesel.
If I recall, Chrysler makes bank on the old Hemi design. If anything, you do them a favour buying that old pig versus a newly designed engine.
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Re: 2014 diesel production

Even if they are making way more bank on the Hemi, it still seems crazy that people are jumping ship on something that was supposed to be released months ago and no real reason (Publicly) for why it hasn't. At this point I'm still on board, but at the days keep wearing on it sounds like other people besides myself my be following Commando.
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Well gang, we just lost one (Commando) from the diesel group. From the sounds of it, most of us in here are close to our breaking points due to the frustration with Jeep and the constant delays and hold ups. Too much longer, and they won't have to worry about releasing them, because there won't be anybody to buy them. They have offended each and every one of us with the lack of information, lies, and delays. The only thing keeping me from canceling my order is that I have been waiting since last January, and I am hoping there is a light at the end of the tunnel. The problem is the tunnel keeps getting longer and longer. I wish someone from corporate Jeep would read this thread to realize how they are upsetting their loyal customers. The loyalty is starting to dwindle, and too much longer, and I (and from the sounds of it, a lot of others) will start to look elsewhere. I appreciate everything the working men and women at JNAP do for us, but the corporate big wigs can go suck an egg for all I care.
Shannon as usual, I generally agree with your feeling on the entire thing. I can tell you that Chrysler is very likely more aware of how pissed off the sold customers are that you are speaking of (including ourselves) than what you think. In this case for the most part, I don't think it is so much a failure of planning or proper designing but this is a BRAND NEW power plant for this Continent. I am sure there have been mistakes along the way but as it was pointed out, other manufacturers building diesels and bringing them to this country have had to pay lots of compliance fines as well.... The simply cannot absorb ALL of those fines.

This issues is not the simplicity of the mixture coming out the tail pipe but a complex set of rules that we will call "elusive". Let's say for a moment that some of the initial delays were related to this and that in fact the problems were dealt with (why do you think they built them). It isn't that simple though, as neatly pointed out in an earlier post, it is complicated stuff. You can fix something exactly as instructed and then be out of compliance on something else even though you did not change or affect that "thing".

Anyway, without getting into a huge long discussion on this, I believe that the Government problems only caused further issues with this. I am not positive that it is the only problem or the thing that stops everything, but I am sure you would not be surprised what doesn't happen without the rubber stamp. I do believe that there are a lot of people working to solve the problem but there are also many things outside CDJ hands.

I have at times felt as Commando has to move to a Gas model, but I am too reliant on the other comforts of diesel while towing.
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